Sunday, April 26, 2009

Unbelievable News From Egypt : Legal Fornication

By Syed Akbar Ali

Egypt's Grand Mufti Dr. Ali Gomaa



CAIRO
(by Ahmed al-Sayed)



Egypt's Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa announced that "travelers marriages, known as nikah mesyar in Arabic, are legitimate unless banned by the state.



Nikah mesyar is a Sunni Muslim marriage contract in which the woman gives up many of the rights she would be afforded under a traditional marriage contract. (Folks, somehow this sounds like some arms length transaction in the vice trade).



Although the marriage is official, the couple does not live in the same house and the husband is not required to provide for the wife or for any children they may have.



Such marriages are considered an alternative for people who wish to get married but cannot afford a traditional marriage. It is called the “travelers marriage” since it often takes place when men are away from their wives and wish to have relations with another woman (Huh ? ? )



A study by the Dar al-Iftaa, the institution in charge of issuing fatwas or religious decrees in Egypt, concluded that such marriages are valid as long as they meet the necessary religious conditions, said Dr. Ali Gomaa in an official statement.


"As long as both agreed to the conditions of the marriage and the wife accepts that the husband doesn't live with her, it is a valid marriage," the statement said.


The study argued that if the woman chooses to give up several of her rights by her own free will -- such as living with the husband or financial support -- this does not invalidate the marriage.


According to Gomaa, the Mesyar marriages are neither degrading to women nor a violation of human rights since they are based on mutual consent.


"On the contrary, this type of marriage proves the flexibility of Islamic laws in catering to a wide scope of needs and circumstances by offering religiously valid solutions that protect Muslims from committing sins,” he explained.



“This shows Islam's capability to adapt to social changes."



Right to Ban.



However, the study acknowledged that individual countries have the right to ban this type of marriage. Some fear travelers marriages could become a regular alternative to traditional marriage and potentially lead to societal instability.


But considering the difficult economic and societal conditions that prompt some young people to resort to these types of marriages, nikah mesyar offers a route to marriage that may be out of reach for many, said Dr. Soheir Abdul-Aziz, Dean of al-Azhar's School of Humanities in Cairo.


"They are unemployed and don't have homes for when they get married," she told AlArabiya.net. "Now the divorce rates are higher than the marriage rate. This makes us wonder how people live. And what do youths do to face the circumstances they are subjected to?"


Some traits of the mesyar marriage are reminiscent of the nikah mutah, practiced by Shiite Muslims. The differences are that the mutah is based on a contract with a fixed date of expiry and it does not require witnesses while a mesyar is open-ended and requires two witnesses to be present.



" On the contrary, this type of marriage proves the flexibility of Islamic laws in catering to a wide scope of needs and circumstances by offering religiously valid solutions that protect Muslims from committing sins " said Dr. Ali Gomaa.



" Now the divorce rates are higher than the marriage rate. This makes us wonder how people live. And what do youths do to face the circumstances they are subjected to" said Dr. Soheir Abdul-Aziz, Dean of the al-Azhar School of Humanities.




My comments: I seriously think this Grand whatever of Egypt is plain twisted. Read carefully. This is nothing more than contractual sex. A simpler term would be "legalised fornication."


Fornication means "
to have sex with someone you are not married to" but here he has twisted it around. you can have the sex part but without the obligations and responsibilities that come with marriage. You dont need to live with and take care of the woman, even if any kids are born, they are not your responsibility. For comparison isn't that what happens in barnyards with the goats and the chickens?


The truth is, in Egypt it is extremely very difficult for young men to get married. Some 'young men' end up living with their mothers until they are 45 years old because they cannot earn enough money to get married and rent their own flats.


And also because the girls ask for very high dowries. The Arab girls ask for very high marriage dowries because later in life, the men often marry 2nd or 3rd wives etc and ignore their 1st wives. This is the reality of their culture. Hence the girls ask for very high dowries. This has nothing to do with Islam.


Read this sentence again :
"They are unemployed and don't have homes for when they get married," she told AlArabiya.net. "Now the divorce rates are higher than the marriage rate. This makes us wonder how people live. And what do youths do to face the circumstances they are subjected to?" (said Dr. Soheir Abdul-Aziz, Dean of al-Azhar's School of Humanities in Cairo)


So to overcome their own weaknesses, they have decided to legalise a form of prostitution. And to give it some form of sick legitimacy, they blame it on Islam. They say it is also Islamic.


Sudah langsung tak ada malu dah.


18 comments:

sf said...

my indian wife do not marry me for this reason for SURE...and bcoz of idiotic nonsense like this what makes ISLAM look bad!

Anonymous said...

ni nama nyer pakai islam macam pakai baju. sedap jer letak nama Islam kat situ.

Anonymous said...

I am glad we still have men like your good self. But I think majority of Muslim men will be singing for joy with this sort of ruling. Muslims emphasize too much on sex than the health of the relationships unlike true committed Christians, Buddhist, Hindus etc. I am sorry to offend good committed Muslim men but you are definitely in the minority. Or rather endangered species.

Anonymous said...

Fair enough to allow consensus sex without marriage disguised as a religiously accepted practice. It is prostitution by any means.

Similarly, charging banking interests is haram but call it another name is acceptable.

Wow, Islam is truly flexible!

-Passingby

Hansac said...

Tuan Syed.

Your stand on marriage is akin to Judeo-Christian-Western-style marriage. I.e. a rigid, frigid institution that insist on having all the trappings of a nuclear family.

Islam is a little bit more accomodative than that.

I am sure as a learned person you understand that truth is contextual. And I am sure too you have vast knowledged of Islamic history to understand what I mean.

Anonymous said...

yohoo, aku nak ke Mesir... Egypt here I come...siapa nak ikut...jom tunggu apa lagi...

Anonymous said...

My question to you:
1. Do you know and understand Arabic?
2. Which is the greater evil when compared to your owm Malay women offering your infamous 'Free Test Drive Policy'?
3. What about the baby dumping at the Tong Sampah, which you Malays are notorious for
4. Why don't you go back to the religion of your ancestors - worshipping devils?

Lucius Phang said...

I want to be a Muslim in Egypt, err, only in Egypt... Unlike other religions, Islam is extremely flexible, contrary to the comment of some critics. I like it.

Anonymous said...

hey anon what does it got to do with malays huh?! we're talking about islam here not race or nation! nikah mishar is bad becoz its just like prostitution oh wait a second prostitution is not free but nikah mishar is free. nikah mishar is another name for fornification. imagine a man can have sex with more than one woman in a day and the woman can have sex with more than one man in a day. sounds familiar, thats becoz its no different from prostitution. the worst thing is that becoz it's considered as a marriage, you bet that these men will not practise safe sex. thats the start of doom for the society and the country. Say No to nikah mishar

Syed Akbar Ali said...

Hansac,

No need to check ancient history which no one knows anything about really. There is a much easier method. Just look at our own women folk around us about this. The mothers, sisters, daughters, aunties that we all have. Which one of them would we not mind to be a 'willing partner' in this type of arrangement?

We may have a married sister who we are proud to announce as 'this is my sister. Her husband is so and so'.

But would anyone like to say 'This is my daughter/sister/aunt. She is in a 'travellers marriage' situation for a few months with some travelling salesman'.

Lets ponder that too.

Hansac said...

Tuan Syed.

Surely there must be an outlet for sexual depravation. In the absence of sexual outlets, many men in Saudi Arabia has become homosexuals (whether they were latent homosexual is of course subject to a debate).

Islam is all about middle path. Whilst Islam does not advocate free sex, it regulates sex to an extent where everyone can have it. Is not sex one of humankind most basic need?

Do we not realize that when sex is too regulated, it is easier to have affairs and adulterous relationships? Which one is more desirable?

Don't talk now about individualistic solutions like berpuasa and/or one must abstain from temptation, because fact is
(1) no one can abstain from sex, not even Prophet Muhammad SAW and
(2) not everyone can stand for days without sex.

I do not know what is the English term for it but the Malay-pseudo-arabic term is kemaslahatan ummah.

What ails this Ummah? This question must be answered and pragmatic and practical solutions must be provided.

Surely we do not need armchair critics that are separated by the masses either by choice or by force.

Between casual sex and mild regulations (i.e. Nikah Misyar), I'd prefer the lesser of two evils.

Now, is it really an evil?

Is Nikah not a contract? Like it or not, whether this was a remnant of an Arabic past, like it or not, this is Islam.

In a contract, can not the mutual parties agree on T&C?

And who says the Sunnis are completely against Muta'ah? Muta'ah was practiced during the time of the Prophet SAW Himself and during Caliph Abu Bakar, RA. Only Caliph Umar RA decided to ban it.

Authoritarian ban is dissimilar to canonical ban.

Come on Tuan Syed. I would expect a little bit more pragmatism from you. Surely you can think outsyed the box???

Anonymous said...

Lts solve the word "Allah" first before new issues arise.
The Lebonese Christians use the word "Allah" in their bible so does other Christians in the middle east who are Arab desendence. This is not illegal in those countries where Islam is born but in Malaysia who adopts the religion 600 years ago seems to be something unbelieveable or unacceptable. Even the word of "Assalammualaikum" (may peace be with you) also illegal to be used by non-muslim but those who work in middle east are fond of this word and the most essential word when introducing or meeting a person. If a non malay use the word in Malaysia he may offend the Malays. How can the non muslim learn or understand the true Islam. This is not Malays fault or muslims fault but the those governing the country. May God bless you.

Larry Jay said...

Wow!! Gosh!! This method is a licence to visit prostitutes & whores. He mentioned that to legalize it..you need to have 2 witnesses..Well I am pretty sure the witness must be a Registered Pimp & the other is a Registered Taxi Driver.. Deal done. Chopped, Signed & Sealed... & the beauty of it..its sinless. No bad huh!!

Mohd Khairul Anwar said...

Syed:

Perhaps, you missed to read from WIKIPEDIA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_Misyar

Maybe you also overlooked and missed the points and don't confused with MUTAAH, as mis-yar marriage had no due date.

Budak Pekan said...

Let's look at the issue clearly. The right of the wife is her right. Just like the Mahar (maskahwin). It's her right whether to keep it, enjoy it or give it back to the husband.

Now the same term apply. If the term and condition falls under the right of the wife she can let it go such as food, shelter etc.

Anyway, other rights like rights of the kids cannot be taken off. Even the right to inheritate the wealth of the father remain. Nobody can take that off.

We need more academic discussion on this matter.

Anonymous said...

Hello. Don't make fun of beautiful Islam. God made Islam so beautiful and man and syaitan have made Islam something to laugh about.

When I say man, I do not mean mankind. I mean men only. Men with their sexual cravings, their sexual fascinations, their sexual desires and their lust for illegal sex and more sex.Men need to instill the fear of the Almighty in them and learn how to be contented and satisfied.Lack of contentment and satisfaction brings anger, envy and greed and lust and an open invitation for the devil to take over one's life.

When you let your 'nafs' or lust or longing run wild and want more sex and more power and more money and more of everything, you go into a partnership with the devil and the devil will make your life story for other people to talk about and have a good laugh. You do not get any one's respect but your life story becomes coffee shop talk. People like to gossip about who is having an affair and who is having a divorce and who is suffering and who has married the second, third and umpteenth time. Right or not?. Seldom do you hear people talking about someone who is a decent good man.Nothing interesting they will say. Bad news spreads like wild fire. Never good news.

There is the institution of marriage to take care of your 'basic' needs but that is too regimented, too regulated and too 'basi'. If the man sudah bosan or the wife 'basi', there is also an outlet by allowing a Muslim to marry a max of 4 wives in Islam.Of course the Prophet(pbuh) did it but there were many good reasons why the Prophet(pbuh) did it and it was not solely for sex.But now of course every man thinks he is a prophet.

A Muslim man who takes more than one wife MUST be fair and square to both wives. The present modern man has no time even for himself, how is he going to be fair to his first, second and umpteenth wife???And when that happens too often and men do show favouritism, what happens? Because the men cannot behave themselves, the women get smart and demand for bigger dowry because they do not want to be left high and dry when the man decides to take another.(Maybe Malay women in Malaysia should start a trend here and start demanding for dowries.Then the brothels will be over-flowing and extended into the roads!! We have not yet talked about the diseases that come along with the package!!)

And over time, the dowry gets bigger and bigger because initially,the naughty men are willing to pay whatever. But there comes a limit ma!!!Even in Egypt and Saudi!

When the dowry becomes very high and unaffordable, there are not many women to marry to have sex with.So who suffers? The men suffers.Why?But whose fault? The man's' fault la. So ends up no first wife, no second wife and no habuk also. So the unmarried men cry on each other's shoulder about being not married and no sex. Then what happens? The men fall in love among themselves and become homosexuals. Whose fault is it? The men la!!!!

What I am trying to say is all the while, only men are in the trouble making equations. All the trouble is started by men.

The women are smart. They are not married but that does not bother them. No sex also does not affect them but at least they have something to laugh about. The follies of the men for now men are the laughing stock creating mischief and trouble. Why? Because of their desires and lust and need for more of everything.

Man MUST first learn how to be happy, contented and satisfied with what he has by controlling his 'nafs'.

sf said...

well...what ever comment u received bro.... this thing is nonsense to me still...

and for those U muslim mate out there...

ISLAM is a more than what u know...

U can not say things or come out with things just bcoz U think U know bout ISLAM...

ALL Humans can communicate with GOD by all means possible...

ALL humans can interact with another humans...

BUT

2 things for sure...

THINK & CARE!

mCrossings said...

In other words, it consensual sex.
Why marry then?

Plus, in the end, it does not protect the interest of women, just serving the sexual libido of men.
Such typical of Patriachal practice