Monday, November 9, 2009

Sime Darby Could (Or Should) Become A Water Utility Too


By Syed Akbar Ali




Sime Darby Berhad is seriously pondering a new line of business – extracting ground water for public consumption. Sime has discovered vast amounts of groundwater under plantation land it owns in Batang Padang, Perak. The company has since spent a lot of money (many many millions of Ringgit) to study and undertake basic development work like drilling test wells and aerial surveys to develop the groundwater resources.




Groundwater means exactly that : water under the ground. The earth stores plenty of water underground (meaning it is actually non depleting). That is why wells work too. Springs (mata air) and even waterfalls from high up in the hills are often outlets for groundwater finding a way out. Groundwater is captured when the rain disappears into the ground to be stopped within certain geological structures.




My recent trip to South Korea (along with 20 other journalists, Consumer Association folk, Bloggers and Government folks) was actually a study tour arranged by Sime to introduce to us the industry there : groundwater, its extraction, Government / private sector collaboration and so on.




We visited groundwater extraction sites along the Han River in Seoul, on Jeju Island which lies about 50 miles off the southern tip of Korea and also in the City of Changwon near Pusan, also near the southern tip of the Korean Peninsula.




First some numbers




In Malaysia we consume about 15000 MLDs of treated water per day. MLD means million litres per day. Since 1 cubic centimetre (1 cc) of water weighs 1 gram, 1 litre or 1000 cc weighs 1 kilograms or 1 kg.




I cubic metre of water = (100cm x 100cm x 100cm) = 1,000,000 cc = 1,000,000 gms = 1000 kg = 1 metric tonne.



So 1 cubic metre of water weighs 1 metric tonne or just 1 tonne lah. 1 MLD works out to 1000 tonnes.



It is expected that by 2010 there will be about 30 million Malaysians consuming 17000 MLD of water per day.



98% of water supply in Malaysia presently comes from “surface water extraction.” This means taking water from rivers and dams (also rivers actually).

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Batang Padang Groundwater Resources.




The Batang Padang area covers an area of about 2700 sq km. The district has annual rainfall of up to 3300mm. The area is sparsely populated and consists of forest, undeveloped land and plantations. Surveys and test wells indicate substantial amounts of “naturally replenishing” groundwater in Batang Padang. Test wells exceed 0.7 MLDs of water a day with one gusher producing 5.5 MLDs a day.





Sime targets to supply 500 MLDs of water to Selangor by Jan 1st 2013. The project cost will run into ten figures. Why Selangor? Because there is an acute shortage of fresh water extraction sites in Selangor, which also has the highest consumption of water in the country.




What many Malaysians do not realise is that groundwater is already being extracted by many people here. Many factories have been extracting groundwater for industrial use for a long time. A steel mill in the Banting area is known to extract up to 80MLD per day without any monitoring. Contractors are easily available who can put a tube well in your house for about RM1800 to extract groundwater. The pump will cost about RM1000 more.




Kota Bharu in Kelantan gets all its water from underground – despite the beautiful Sungai Kelantan running right through the town. Arau in Perlis has also been extracting groundwater for a long time. So there has been extraction of groundwater in Malaysia for a long time. Its nothing new.




Radial Collector Well Technology




To extract groundwater the Koreans have developed some novel technologies. The idea is simple. Where there is groundwater you simply put a tube down, the water flows into the well and you pump it up. The groundwater is relatively clean and very clear. With minimal treatment (sand filter and activated carbon only) the water is actually drinkable (assuming there are no chemical pollutants in the neighborhood lah). Also the wells are nondescript and environmentally friendly. You dont even notice them. You can see the pictures to get an idea.




The other more interesting method is called a radial collector well. Radial simply means like the spokes of a sports car wheel. First they sink a well – either at a grounwater site or beside a river. If it is beside a river, some geology and hydrology is required – the river must be of sufficient size and the ground under the river should be preferably sandy or of loose rock formation. Solid rock or heavy clays may impair the movement of underground water.




At the bottom of the well they drill horizontal holes (radial spokes) that spread out and go under the river bed. One radial well we saw by the Han River went down 40 meters (120 feet) – way below the river bed and its five radial collectors reached out 25 meters (75 feet). There was a gap of about 100 meters from the tips of the collectors to the river bed – meaning the water had to filter through 100 meters of natural sand, rock and clay before it poured into the collectors. The resulting water was clean.




You can see in the picture a vertical well dug close to a river. The water from below the river bed filters thru natural soil, sand and rock and pours into the well. This picture does not show the radial spokes coming out of the well bottom.




In this picture above you can see water pouring into the well bottom thru the radial collectors.




Here is a view of the top of a radial collector well. It is covered with a concrete slab and has a few inspection manholes. It is quite nondescript and environmentally friendly. The wells do not take up much space at all. Vegetaion and plants grow well around the extraction points - meaning there is no subsidence of the water table (or of saline intrusion at this inland site).






This pretty lass is Cik Masami - a reporter from the Malay Mail - is climbing thru one of the manholes into the collector well. No dams, reservoirs or cutting too many trees.





In the traditional ‘surface water extraction’ method you either build a dam or you pump river water directly into the water treatment plant. There the water is physically cleaned of debris, passes through expensive membranes and is then treated with alums and chemicals to make Class 1 drinking water. (I was a Director of a company which was given a concession to build a 225 MLD water treatment facility up in Kedah. Before that, as a Banker, I also financed the Semenyih water treatment facility).




But in this radial collector well method you dont mess with the river too much. The environmentalists should be much happier with the radial collector wells rather than building huge dams and reservoirs.




The radial collector well still needs tanks and treatment but it is much smaller and can be sufficiently removed from the extraction site. No need to cut down too many trees.




The Koreans say that the cost of production per cubic metre of treated water is slightly cheaper through the radial collector well method. Slightly only because although the usage of chemicals and membranes is minimised, they need more electricity to run each individual pump. Every well needs its own pump, which also needs maintenance. So what you gain here you may lose there, but to me the greatest advantage of this radial well collector method is that it is nondescript, it is environmentally more friendly and it needs no dams and reservoirs.




Malaysian Water Politics




If Sime can develop this business well, it will obviously open the way for the company to become a Water Utility too. I see this as a natural evolution for Sime. The company is a homegrown conglomerate which is not only a plantation giant but also a major infrastructure player.




Also it is not likely that Sime will attract the type of negative attention it received over the ill conceived IJN acquisition (which was aborted). The IJN acquisition was roundly criticised because Sime was asked to take over a Government institution built with taxpayers money which served mostly Civil Servants using taxpayers money again.




In contrast, ground water extraction on a large scale is a greenfield project which has never been done before in Malaysia. This is creating new wealth. Sime should be able to pull it off. And Sime can also exploit the radial collector well technology to extract water from under rivers – as per the diagram earlier. There is great potential in this because all the numerous rivers that we have in this country are potential sites for radial collector wells. This is a completely new industry. Sime Darby could or should become a water utility.




But there are other privatised water players who are not too comfortable with Sime’s venture.




Quite obviously in an economy where ‘who you know’ is more important than ‘what you know’ prominent members of the “community of corporate chickens” (more on this in my next post) have to keep looking over their shoulders. If they dont do this often enough, they may lose their heads – the inevitable fate of too many chickens.




The talk around the table was that some folks were kicking up dust over Sime’s groundwater project in Batang Padang. Three major complaints have been put out :



i. ground water extraction will cause subsidence of surrounding soil



ii. Salt water intrusion from the sea will cause groundwater salinity



iii. the impact of ground water extraction on plant growth and the environment (including drop in the water table).




Soil subsidence is dependent on the geology. Large clay deposits in ground water areas have more subsidence risk but again it depends on the geology. None of the sites we saw in Korea suffered soil subsidence.





What can be affected is the height of the water table. An example was quoted of a drop in the local water table by about 1 metre over a 1 sq km area after prolonged years of extraction.




As for saline intrusion, on Jeju Island in Korea one ground water well is located on the beach – 30 metres away from the waves and produces fresh water. Yet on the other side of the island, there is saline intrusion eight kilometres inland. So saline intrusion is more prone along the coast or on islands. But it is entirely dependent on geology.




Batang Padang is tens of kilometres away from the Straits of Melaka so it is not likely that there will be saline intrusion. Also Sime’s land is up in the hills.




There was no negative impact on any plant growth around any of the radial collector wells that we saw. You can see in the pictures that there is rich vegetation around the radial collector wells.




Water Shortages On The Horizon




A Senior Government water engineer says that not only Sime’s groundwater project must take off but we must really push for the accelerated development of our water resources. Here are some dates he mentioned:




By 2010 Penang is going to face serious water shortages, unless the Mengkuang Dam is completed on time.




By 2012 Selangor is going to face water shortages too. By 2015 there will be nationwide water shortages. By 2020 there will certainly be large water shortages throughout the country. Unless we develop our water supplies on an accelerated basis.




And these projections do not take into account for any major disruptions or shocks. For example if a couple of large steel mills, copper mills or other huge industrial plants start up, this equation will not hold anymore.




So I hope that Sime will get on with this job fast enough. The Senior Government engineer said that at present the Government is being bullied by the privatised water entities. We have all read in the recent Auditor General’s Report how privatised operators have not been cleaning the water reservoirs over the years. That is one of the reasons why we have such poor quality water.




Then they ask the Government for this and that, just to do what they were obliged to do in the first place. Competition is always good. With the entry of Sime into the equation, it will be good to foster more discipline and commitment among the corporate chickens.




The Hydrologist




To do anything, it is crucial to have the right people in place. In the picture here (freezing our behinds at zero degree temperatures by the Han River in Seoul) I am standing beside Dr Azuhan Mohamed, PhD who is a hydrologist by training. He is Head of Water Management at Sime Darby and has long experience with the Government in water hydrology. Throughout the five days in Korea I really enjoyed picking his brain on the technical apsects of ground water extraction.





Click on the picture to see chattering teeth. It was cold.



At all the presentations by the Korean engineers, Dr Azuhan frequently chipped in to answer questions. The engineers seem to enjoy a camaraderie and mutual respect. It was a continuous chorus of acquifers, radial collectors, MLDs, water tables and stuff throughout the five days. Exciting betul.




But we have the trained manpower and the corporate skills to develop our ground water resources in a systematic and organized method to serve the community and also to yield a profit for Sime Darby. Semua boleh bikin. Just do it step by step.




Sime Darby’s Open And Transparent Manner




Sime is being very frank, open and transparent about this groundwater extraction project. I think after they got roasted over the coals over the IJN fiasco, Sime has wisened up some. If you are doing something good, then let people see what you are up to lah. Its a lot smarter than sneaking around and then getting caught with your pants down.





Government Involvement in Development of Ground Water resources





In Korea which has only about 1600mm of annual rainfall, the Goverment funds research and development in ground water development. They also spend money developing basic infrastructure to get the groundwater. Then the commercial operators are given concessions to exploit the ground water resources which have been identified (and even developed) by the Government.





There is no such thing in Malaysia which has up to 3600 mm annual rainfall – twice the Korean rainfall. Groundwater has never been a priority in Malaysia so there is not much hydrological survey and mapping of our groundwater resources.





So Sime is not only a pioneer but the company will have to pay for the A to Z of finding, developing and doing the research on ground water.




As Samy Velu used to say in the old days ‘Jabatan-jabatan Kerajaan yang berkenaan dalam Taanaa Aaayer kita yang tercinta ini akan memberi sokongan pun-nuh daripada belakang’. Meaning the Government will support from behind but Sime will have to do all the work.





I think Sime deserves some concessions from the Goverment on this one. Give them some credit lah – make things a little easier.





But from the consumer's point of view here is what I want:




First we want clean drinkable water from our taps. Can we do away with the huge cappucino machine type water filters that are becoming so neccessary in every urban home? And then the little water filter by the kitchen sink too. And the water is still dirty. So Tun Musa, the first order of the day is clean water.




Then we want it in sufficient quantity too and with reliability of supply – meaning no interruptions in supply. We want water everyday and at the same good quality.




Finally we dont want to pay too high tariffs for water to finance any corporate jets, corporate helicopters and so on that Sime may be tempted to buy from their new found water revenues.




I say this because I used to work in the Menara Haw Par which is located close to where one privatised water tycoon had his offices. Twice a day his sky blue helicopter would come by, bringing its precious cargo of CCC (community of “corporate chickens” – read my next post) to and from work. After the 1997 Financial Crisis the helicopter disappeared.




If there are excess profits, I hope Sime will plough back substantial portions into their groundwater operations to improve service to the consumer.










21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Congratulations to Sime Darby for doing a service to the Malaysians for developing groundwater, a natural water resource that has been stored in the ground since the creation of the world.

Congratulations also to Sime Darby for appointing Dr Azuhan Mohamed to lead its Groundwater Business. Azuhan is a groundwater advocate and has vast experience in water resources and water services sector. Azuhan is the one and only Certified Groundwater Professional CGWP) in South East Asia as stated in Berita Harian way back in 1992.

Sustainable groundwater development is the way forward for water resources utilisation. It is a cheaper option and more enviornment friendly.Sime Darby really stand up to its tagline - 'Developing Sustainable Futures'

by
Pencinta Alam

Rafa's Revolution said...

Hi Pak Syed,

I think first and foremost we need to look at it from 2 perspectives: 1 - short term wise and 2 - long term wise.

Short term wise can be the next 3-5 or even 3-7 years from now. While long term wise can be anything above 7 or even 10 yrs and beyond.

Then we need to look at the viability of this project. Viability in terms of cost of operations, breakeven point, yrs to construct, economies of scale and whatever not la from the econs and logic perspective.

1 - how much of water (MLD) can Msia produce in 1 day? what is our max capacity or perhaps max built capacity? if we are producing 17000 MLD today, i foresee our capacity today shud be in the range of 70-75% perhaps. i might be wrong tho. if in 2010, we are going to consume 19000 MLD and yet not triggering the threshold of built capacity why wanna venture in this project? so short term wise, can Msia even produce upto 25000 MLD for the next 3-5 yrs so to speak?

2 - long term wise, someone really needs to do the proper planning. assuming that in 10 yrs from now, we are expecting a population of 35-40 million to consume upto 30000 MLD, why not build a damn with a hydroplant? it goes hand in hand.. the higher the population, the higher the electrical consumption will be and not only water.. can undergnd water extraction power our homes? i doubt that..

in korea, undergnd water extraction methods are used because of major shortage of water supply. are in msia too facing such a situation when our weathers are tropical?

it all boils down to proper planning and proper management with the least corruption in mind..so to begin with.

read here on water scarcity in korea. also UN categorizes Korea as more than moderate level of water supply

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/03/23/200903230043.asp

Exotic photos from Borneo said...

Was it mentioned that dangerous chemical from their plantation seep through the ground water storage, making the raw water contaminated?

donplaypuks® said...

SD is a Plc and they are free to venture into any financially viable businesses their Board sees fit.

For the consumer, the main concern is, is it going to cost us more or less for water than before?

Presumably, like the IPP's, SD will have to enter into a guaranteed buy-back agreement with the relevant water authorities. And therein lies the game. Will it be a fair agreement or a profiteering one like the one's with IPP's which hold Tenaga to hostage and make up 45% of Tenaga's direct cost?

Unless of course, they are going to bottle it and sell it as mineral water or RO water etc. Then, we can leave it to the market.

Any idea, Syed?

dpp
We are all of 1 race, the Human Race

Anonymous said...

Please assure the public first that the harvest area is far, far away from plantations, and the extracted water is free from contaminations. Whenever you fly near KLIA, you can see from the air rainbow colour ponds around Sepang palm oil plantations. Toxic laaa tuu.

Nacaleb

Anonymous said...

Dear Syed Akbar,

Your piece is an eye opener for me. From what I read in the internet, surface water (rivers, streams etc) constitutes about 1% of ALL water supply in the world. On the other hand, groundwater constitutes 30% of total water supply, and the rest (about 69%) is sea water.

It's frightening if we depend only on surface water for our future water needs. Why can't we take the pro-active step and take a little bit from groundwater? It's such a waste if we don't use it because this groundwater will go back to the seas. Furthermore, we don't need to build dams (costing milions of ringgit and destroying our flora & fauna) to store our water supply.

Our rivers can be contaminated at ANY time, and Puncak Niaga and Syabas are not doing a good job at supplying clean water to us all these years. We need an alternative like groundwater.

If S.Korea and other developed countries have been using groundwater for part of their water needs for so many years, why can't we?

I think some interested parties are against the development of groundwater resources because it might eat into their pockets. And we know who these people are. Wake up and do the country a service by going into groundwater development.

Mumtaz

Anonymous said...

Wow...this is an interesting topic. Syabas to Sime Darby for trying to find a solution to our future water needs. It's an easy logic...you can't feed the whole Malaysian population on surface water alone.

Rum

Anonymous said...

Aiyuh kadavule!! OMG!!! Yes I am back again!!

I am having a deja vue!! Remember the rice shortage thingy? Helllloooo Syed. You forget oredy ah? Rememeber some joker from the government and the private sector shouted that we all should be planting rice instead of oil palm?? Remember when all the rice bags disappeared from the racks in Mydin, Giant and Carrfour and the price of rice shot up like nobody's business and never came down even though the rice bags are back stacked from ground to ceiling high????Hellooo sudah lupa kah? Got ask the Gomen what and why that happened ah???? What happened to all that shortage figures put up by the Gomen??? Aiyuh, banyak susah la.Pak Lah was sleeping then. Now Najib also napping ah????

Hellooooo Syed.And you trust all this shortage water figures conjured up again ah???? These guys are telling you a made up sad story and you are falling for it.Something like someone got smacked on his bum and his teeth fell out!!!

Bottom line is we need water everyday like we need rice everyday.We will, (as we only know how to make noice and are silly Malaysians) at the end of the day,pay through our nose for water and still tolerate it like we are doing for rice and cars and what not!!!!Hellooo someone please wake up. God please help us stupid Malaysians.I know we must help ourselves but we are bodoh punya Malaysians. All of us.

Bottomline is Sime Darby must make money to take care of its shareholders and its Chief Executives and Presidents and Vice Presidents and must buy more BMWs for all these people.Sime Darby needs easy money and this water business is easy money. They have the land, they have the know-how and they have the skill.I do not know why they have to have such a promo act like TV3's Heboh Heboh for this simple business. Mesti ada udang sebalik batu.

And why take bloggers like you and Rocky? You are both on their payroll ah?? Or you both will feel 'obligated' for the free trip and toe the line and sing their song is it??? Helloooooo I too can think and assume and read between the lines.

Anyway Syed. I think you know what? Sime wants you to be on their side and say only good things about them. DO NOT FALL INTO THEIR TRAP and become a Corporate Chicken or Corporate Cock at that!!!! Hello CC can be corporate chicken if no balls and Corporate Cock if got balls!!! I guess to you gender does not matter but we must be clear and specific in what we say.

I am not against this thingy. Well and good but the intentions must be good and the present Sime does not seem to have good intentions or good balls sorry to say.And you did mention some thing about being caught with the pants down. You said Sime should be forthright and be transparent rather than be caught with their pants down. Caught with pants down means doing some dirty thingy like shitting or urinating or fornicating when you should not be doing it. Doing something bad or naughty and then you get caught with your pants down. That means we get to know who is guilty as they got caught doing the dirty or naughty act. Sime has a whole string of situations when they have been caught with their pants down. So you trust them now?? Helllloooo Syed. You got apa from Sime besides the free trip? Dont allow them to make you into a CC!!!!!

The very the susah one!!!!!

Anonymous said...

After reading the earlier comments posted, I noticed that one of the main concerns pertaining to the groundwater project is the issue of contamination of the groundwater. Whilst this is indeed a valid concern, I think it does not take a genius to figure out that this aspect is definitely one of the most crucial aspects of this project i.e. water quality, or any project related to potable water supply for that matter. I am sure with the many many millions of RMs spent by Sime Darby, a portion of the amount would have been allocated to ensure this desirable quality is met.

So what is the real problem with this project? Is it the cost? Well if we want something good definitely we have to spend some amount of money for it. Like someone once said "If you pay peanuts, you'll get monkeys". So again, what is the real problem with this project? or there isn't actually any problem but some people somewhere out there is trying to CREATE a problem. This I think is a more logical analysis because the way I see it, Sime Darby has the financial resources, technology,trained manpower and the corporate skills to develop this ground water resources.What else could be the problem then????

I am just wondering why is there such resistance towards this project? Why are we so afraid of changes when this kind of water resources is such a common thing in other parts of the world? I thought we always live by the code "Malaysia Boleh!!??"

Anonymous said...

Ayoyo Mr Aiyuh kadavule, Lu cakap banyak susah lo...banyak belit-belit. You seem to be making all sorts of allegations on this blogger, on the projects etc...One can't help but wonder if you yourself are being instructed (or paid?) by I THINK WE KNOW WHO. Sorry but I definitely can smell the ROTTEN RATS in your pants!!!!!

umar said...

CC stands for corporate crooks. They know no mercy.
Sime Darby , Dunlop, Inchape etc are the remaining remnants of the old East India Company of the British Raj.
Let Sime Darby adopt any name like Synergy Drive. William Shakesphere would commit suicide should he find the Merchant Of Venice a small fry compared to the giant in Sime Darby. You name it , they have it;
-distribution of wine and spirits
-distribution of motor vehicles
-distribution tractors and heavy machinery
-distribution of tyres
- contruction and property
- healthcare and hospital
The core business is indeed plantation of rubber and palm oil.

Who doesn't want to sell drinking water. Our Mawi is also selling bottled water. Water filters from Japan , Taiwan , Germany, China are imported into Malaysia. Almost every household has them installed .
Bottled waters are sold from the doorways of mosques to mamak stalls.I suppose Coke & Pepsi has lost out in volume to this water business.
THe Directors of Sime Darby and their ilk are chaffuer driven in a/c luxury cars for decades. Their offices are posh indeed.Flying business class in jets around the globe for more business.
The plantation workers are the real source of all their profits.
They tap the rubber trees in the early hours , spray pesticide and weed-killers to generate the maximum yield per acre.
What a pity they are not paid fix monthly wages while the drivers, office-boys , typist,clerks, secretaries and executives who shuffle papers get paid fixed salaries and bonuses.
Exploitation for centuries...
Now Sime Darby wants to explore under-ground water for mankind.
MAY GOD SAVE US FROM CC....

Anonymous said...

hola..

today an article was read in The Star Newspaper entitled : "Video on dirty rivers scoops top prize" - ...a video on the state of the rivers used as a source of drinking water has won a team of students the top prize in a national competition...

groundwater anyone...???

- malaysian -

Anonymous said...

Dear anon 11.33PM;

it doesn't take a genius too, to figure out that malaysian govt and glcs only look at the bigger picture; but slacking when it comes to attention to details. Look at SMART tunnel. Only upon completion we are told that the tunnel will not save KL from floods. Remember Sepang wetlands, which was supposed to be a nature premier park? And Bukit Cerakah at Shah Alam? And who can forget the north-south-east-west corridors? We have so many hubs; educational hub, halal hub, low cost carrier hub, islamic finance hub, this hub that hub. I think the only hub that is making money is Biskut Hup Seng.

That's why we raise the contamination issue. Don't take for granted that they will do what they are supposed to do; or they actually know what they are doing. Many things look good on paper. So
don't blame us for being sceptical.


Nacaleb

a-s-c said...

As one of the delegates to Korea; I wanted to keep an open mind over Sime Darby's desire to develop radial collector wells to meet Malaysia's water shortages.

The following was written after extensive questioning of Dr. Azuhan Mohamed as well as those who were over the radial collector well systems that we have visited:

While Malaysia has ample rainfall, there are incidences when areas must without sufficient water which leads to rationing this precious resource (water) to meet the needs of citizens.

In addressing issues of water shortages we must do the following:

• Better water management. Malaysia has sufficient rainfall which is inefficiently utilized.
Peninsular Malaysia generally exceeds 1,600 mm, and is well over 2,500 mm in many areas (Dale 1959)

The mean annual rainfall in Sarawak is between 2,500 and 5,000 mm, and is fairly well distributed with no month below 100 mm (Andriesse l968).

• Safeguards to prevent water pollution: Examples.

1. Ecologically friendly methods by sewage treatment plants.

2. Manufacturing industries given the carrot or the stick as incentives to find ways to reduce their contribution to water pollution.

3. Entrepreneurs can be encouraged to develop other uses for waste from animal farms and agro-based industries.

• Educating citizens on sustainable water usage: Early and continued education is one of the best means to drill in the habit of sustainable resource usage.

However, while these measures are being researched; radial collector wells as well as the innovative use of rain water appear to be useful means by which underground water can be economically used to supply states or local principalities during water shortages.

Finally, the natural competition which will grow out of having Sime Darby enter the market, would serve to increase overall water services and decrease water prices for the people of Malaysia.

Muneer A. Rasheed
International Consultant & Advisor (PPIM)
www.muslimconsumer.org.my
www.asia-consulting-advice.com

Anonymous said...

Fomca and those NGOs that are against Sime Darby's groundwater project are non-sensical.

Their criticisms of the project are supported by shallow facts, like the groundwater in Batang Padang will be affected by seawater intrusion.

What nonsense! Do you know how far is Batang Padang from the Straits of Melaka? Very, very far.

I wonder how Malaysia is going to move forward if we have "shallow" NGOs like Fomca. They only know how to make noise but don't know what they are talking about.

Grow up, please.

Anonymous said...

Hai Encik syed

better use this term for expert:

Hydrogeologist means expert in hyrdo + geologist

hydrologist means expert in hydro only not geology
tq

MOHD KHAIRUL NIZAR

Anonymous said...

Hello Mr 10.37,

This is Aiyuh Kadavule. YAFI!! (For your simple brain, that means You Asked For It!)

Just because I ask questions does not mean I am from Fomca or any NGO. I do not need to be with any silly organisation or party to think and ask questions or come to a conclusion based on what is being said or reported on this blog itself.

I have my own God given akal to think and ask.And what is this banyak belit-belit? If you cannot think of various issues at one time, that is your weakness. Not mine. But try to develope that skill.It will serve you well instead of the one track, micro looking idiots I have heard from and met. You must be one of those who just work on one frequency and I am very sure you will get lost if you do otherwise.So sorry for you. You should sleep like Pak Lah did.

Anyway what was I saying so belit-belit?

My points were:
1. There was a rice scarcity created last year and the price of rice went up but now there is plenty of rice but the price has not come down.

2. Read the article on cars by Syed. We are also paying through our noses for daily necessacities like cars now and that is because of all these APs and other costs we consumers have to bear to keep our national car afloat.

3. Now we are being told that there is going to be a water shortage in the future and we need to look for cheap groundwater.

I say fine but I am shouting that we can be fooled many times but we cannot be fooled over and over again. What guarantee is there that the price of groundwater will not be increased?

Now all these chaps are writing in about contamination. I am concerned.Contamination means can cause illness, disability and death. Are you worried or not??? Yes. Sime will say today that the price of groundwater will be definitely cheap but come tomorrow, the price of groundwater will increase. Why? They will say that they have to incur extra cost so that the groundwater is not contaminated and if we want to have uncontaminated groundwater, we have to pay the price. What are you going to say then? Are you going to say "Hey. But the last time you said groundwater will be cheap ma?" You and I will say that and quietly pay the extra money for the 'uncontaminated groundwater'. That is why I called ourselves 'stupid Malaysians'. Faham?

Why did I SUSPECT that Syed is on Sime's side??? Hey all this while Syed has been taruhwing (for your frequency. that is putting down)Sime and all the GLCs. Have you been reading his blog or not? He was asking the right questions and I know the GLCs are weary of bloggers like Syed. They should be because they are doing the wrong things.Now suddenly Syed has been INVITED by Sime to go to KOREA to see these groundwater projects!! Even a brainless chicken will be wondering what the hell is happening here??? So I cannot assume or suspect ah? I am berfitnah but Syed is providing all the reasons for me to jump to this conclusion. So you blame me for jumping to this conclusion? I am a thinking human being and not an angel or sufi.

And like someone else has said too, why this need for Sime to get the bloggers involved? Is Sime scared of the bloggers? Is Sime doing something wrong? Why all this hype?

If the present Sime and GLCs had honesty, integrity, responsibility and professionalism which the late greats like Tun Ismail Ali and Tun Tan Siew Sin had, they will march through like real corporate soldiers and do the job and do the job right. But now they are scared. They are worried because they have no confidence and need the bloggers like Syed and Rocky to assist disseminate information on their behalf. Why? That is why I asked if Syed and Rocky are on Sime's payroll. By the way, I am on Allah's payroll and thank you for accusing me of being on the other side. You are so slimy you cannot even mention NGOs or Fomca. We have to be honest and forthright. If not, say nothing at all.

Banyak susah punya orang la this 10.37. Pi tidur la.

Anonymous said...

Hello Aiyuh Kadavule,

To come to a fast conclusion that Syed Akbar was bought over by Sime Darby just because he joined the technical study group to learn about groundwater technology in South Korea shows how "shallow" and "stupid" you are.

If you have the brains and logical reasoning like Syed Akbar, you would have accepted the offer of the technical study to South Korea because it will not only enrich your knowledge about the subject but also enable you to find out by yourself whether the claims by Fomca and several other NGOs are true.

For example, Fomca's claim that Sime Darby's groundwater project is affected by seawater (saline intrusion) can only be verified if you go to a place near the sea or on an island. (Fyi, Syed Akbar went to Jeju Island where groundwater is being extracted.)

He made his observation and wrote this conclusion:" As for saline intrusion, on Jeju Island in Korea one ground water well is located on the beach – 30 metres away from the waves and produces fresh water. Yet on the other side of the island, there is saline intrusion eight kilometres inland. So saline intrusion is more prone along the coast or on islands. But it is entirely dependent on geology."

If he was bought over by Sime Darby, he would have probably written this: "I found no trace of saline intrusion AT ALL on Jeju Island as claimed by Fomca and other NGOs. I think the claim by Fomca and the NGOs are absurd and unfounded."

If you care to read Syed Akbar's CV, he's qualified to comment on the groundwater issue. He was a Director of a company which was given a concession to build a 225 MLD water treatment facility up in Kedah. Before that, he was a Banker in a major local bank who financed the Semenyih water treatment facility.

Aiyuh Kadavule, wake up and go back to school. Be smart like Syed Akbar, and don't put your brains in between your legs.

Kanavale

Anonymous said...

Wow Syed,

Look at the people who come to your defence. I know you did a very good write up on the groundwater thingy but be careful not to be made an instrument for other people's agenda.

There is genuine truth in what the others are saying too about you being used. Why are you silent? You started the fire and want to burn the others or are you cold and prefer to remain warm and cosy in your corner while the others hurt each other.

Write and write the truth.

Especially about the part if the price of water will remain cheap or cheaper and that any extra cost incurred in the future to ensure the groundwater is not contaminated, will not be costed into the cost of bringing out the groundwater and passed on in the form of higher prices to be paid by consumers like me and you.

Anonymous said...

Aiyuh Mr Kanavule,

You dont preach to me about Syed Akbar.I know him very well. Not like you picking from his background on this blog.By the way this is Aiyuh Kadavule.

Now you sound like a Corporate Chicken or Corporate Cock!! And you have written that Fomca's and the NGO's claims are baseless. So I know where you are coming from.You are not defending Syed because you love him. You are defending Syed because you need him as a mouthpiece.Of course Syed has learned alot from the trip. Thank you.

And I can tease Syed however much I want about him being bought over by Sime Darby. What is it to you? Why are you getting so hot under the collar? Even if Syed does not deny it, I know who Syed is.

I am not against the groundwater thingy. Read my comments. See how stupid you are and how I can play with your emotions and make you miss a crucial point.Too much fat in your blood makes you emotional.

I am asking about the price of the groundwater which will not affect you but will affect the poor man on the road, the man who earns RM800 a month as a guard somewhere and has two children to feed and send to school.And knowing Syed, I know he cares for the man on the street too and the cost of living. I am concerned about the price of the groundwater. That is why I mentioned about rice, a daily necessacity and cars which has become a daily necessacity too.

Sime Darby intends to be a money making machine. I say go ahead. But do not make money out of a daily necessacity and make the cost of living higher for the man on the street and for me.Already the price of rice grains has escalated. Do you know how much is the cheapest rice per kilo? Not the full grains? The rice grains that are broken which the poor can afford? Go check in Giant and Mydin.If the water a man has to have to quench his thirst is going to be costly too, woe on to you all.

Now who got brains between the legs? Just say the truth and stick to the truth and Allah and the angels will be on your side. If not, only the devil, with his swishing tails which will cool you and make you feel very comfortable, will follow you closely around.And syaitan will also make you hot under the collar when the truth is demanded.

So there.

Doggie Dogg said...

And if I am not mistaken, the Semenyih Water Facility is still not in full operations until today eh? Aint that right?

Humans are the biggest hypocrites.. That is a fact..

When the wind blows North, we follow the wind.. When it blows South, then we follow it back to South.

We are all spineless species.. Just that we call ourselves humans. What a shame!