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Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Gaji Minima Perangkap Untuk Jatuhkan BN


Here is more about the minimum wages thing. Folks dont say I did not warn you. Here is The Star :
  • Minimum Wage Could ‘Kill SMEs’
  • a joint (Press) conference by 16 manufacturing, retail and service sector associations yesterday.
  • Eighty per cent of SMEs could be forced to shut down if the Government's proposed minimum wage policy of between RM800 to RM1,000 is implemented across the board.
  • The SMI Association of Malaysia said "..most of the SMEs are labour-intensive; they don't have modern machines. An increase in salaries will have a tremendous effect on the manufacturing cost,” he said, “It could totally kill SMEs because for most of them, their net profit margin is only around 3% to 5% .”
  • The potential chain reaction could be grave as well, considering SMEs make up 99.2% of the Malaysian economy and accounted for 59% of the workforce.
  • The majority of these SMEs are the supporting industry to many multi-national companies. So if manufacturing cost increase, they will be affected too.”
  • the Malaysia Employers Federation's estimation that 200,000 SME businesses would suffer was realistic.
  • The Malaysian Plastics Manufacturers Association president Lim Kok Boon said "...the plastics industry, about 75% to 80% were SMEs.."

The Government says that before they decided about the minimum wages, they had brainstorming sessions, the Government conducted studies, the Government pinjam their watches to the con-sultans and then asked the con-sultans for the time and many other clever things.

I have a more basic question : did the Goverment sit down and discuss things with the employers thmselves, the majikan? For example did the Government sit and talk with the 16 Small and Medium Enterpise (SME) associations mentioned above? Or the Chinese guilds? Or the Chambers of Commerce people?

If so, how come 16 of these associations made a joint Press statement yesterday disagreeing with the minimum wages policy. Why didnt the Government talk to these people? Do you mean that these industry associations who provide employment for 59% of the workforce were not consulted? What happened to "rakyat di dahulukan"?

Folks, there is going to be serious disaster in the land. I dont know how else to say this but the Gomen folks just do not know what they are talking about.

1. The Gomen screwed up the "plastic boxes to transport fish" and messed up the fish prices. When fish prices went up to the sky, the Gomen flip flopped. The Gomen did not listen to the fish wholesalers. They did not listen to OutSyed The Box either - I had blogged about it. They listened to the con-sultans.

2. Then they messed up the subsidies for the fishing boats. Fish prices went to the sky again. Soon the Gomen had no choice but to backtrack and flip flop. They did not listen to OutSyed The Box either because I had blogged about that too.

3. After that the Gomen messed up the 'old school buses' issue. They gave a ridiculously short time frame for the old school buses to be changed to new buses. The school bus operators simply said they will stop driving. So the Gomen back tracked and flip flopped again.

4. The Gomen then messed up the used car sales and registration of new cars issue. As a result, the used car buyers stopped buying used cars. When people could not trade in their old cars, new car sales also dropped to the bottom. The car industry almost died. And that time I had met the Minister in charge and blogged about the issue BEFORE they went ahead and implemented the fiasco. So the Gomen was forced to backtrack and flip flop again. Sekali lagi they did not listen to OutSyed The Box.

Folks all these fiascos have happened despite Pemandu, Pemudah, Penghisap Candu, ETP, GTP and dont know what else.

Now is the turn of this Minimum Wages - a major bungle, perhaps the Mother of all Bungles by the Gomen. This one is really going to kill the cat. No more nine lives after this.

If the Gomen really thinks this Minimum Wages Policy is so good, then please implement it before the General Elections.

Just implement the Minimum Wages for three months and see what happens. After that lets go in for the General Elections. I can assure you the country will have a new Government.

Then Tan Sri Muhyuddin can set up an SME to manufacture kopi jantan. Dato Sri Najib and Rosmah can try the "good quality used handbags" business.

If the Opposition had any brains and they really want to win the General Elections, then they too should fully support this Minimum Wages Policy. (This is where my concern is maybe the con-sultan who dreamed up this Minimum Wages Policy is an Opposition spy. Have you thought about that Dato Sri Najib and Tan Sri Muhyuddin?)

In three months, factories will start closing. People will start losing their jobs. Unemployment will go up. Inflation will start galloping. The BN will lose the general elections.

Some people say that Minimum Wages have been implemented in America, Europe and Australia. I would like to say "So what"? In fact that is what I want to say 'So what'?

Malaysia is NOT America, Europe or Australia. When America implemented their minimum wages policy they were already the wealthiest nation in the world with the highest per capita GDP in the world. Even the European countries and Australia were already rich countries with educated, productive and high income populations. They were definitely not poor countries.

The vast majority of their workers were already earning incomes way above the poverty line. They implemented their Minimum Wages policy from a position of strength, not from a position of weakness. Their Minimum Wages Policy was designed to help the minority of workers who fell through the cracks and suffered low wages.

This would include older and less educated workers, high school kids looking for summer jobs, the disabled and other such groups who often suffered poor wages. In the early 1900s child labor was rampant in the US. Women and children suffered serious wage discrimination at the hands of employers.

Minimum Wages in the US helps a small portion of their workforce. Here are some figures :

"(In the United States) Among those paid by the hour in 2009, 980,000 were reported as earning exactly the prevailing Federal minimum wage. Nearly 2.6 million were reported as earning wages below the minimum. Together, these 3.6 million workers with wages at or below the minimum made up 4.9 percent of all hourly-paid workers"

Folks, the total size of the giant American workforce is over 140.0 million workers. Minimum Wage workers make up 2.5% only of their workforce. I think similar figures would apply for Europe and Australia. These are rich countries where the vast majority of workers (97.5% of their workers in America) are productive and high income workers who earn money way above Minimum Wage.

Their Minimum Wage policies are designed to help the 2.5% or 3% minority who suffer specific issues. Their Minimum Wages is like a social welfare policy to help this 2.5% minority. It does not add significant costs to their economy that can kill businesses or send inflation soaring to the sky.

In contrast, Malaysia is not yet a rich country. We are only pretending to be rich. Unlike the US, we will be implementing Minimum Wages that will impact a large number of workers and huge sectors of our economy. For example, the SME's make up 99.2% of our economy and employ 59.0% of our workforce.

Minimum Wage works best in the rich countries, where the vast majority of the workers are already high income because of their education, skills and high productivity. They implement a Minimum Wage Policy as a social safety net for a minority of workers who may not have the skill levels prevalent in their society.

Think of it this way - should Indonesia and Bangladesh also have a minimum wage policy? Should Indonesia say 'all our workers should be paid at least RM350 a month' (this used to be the salary of an Indonesian maid in Malaysia not too long ago). Can the Indonesian economy sustain such a minimum wage policy? I dont think so.

They are a poor nation. They are not very productive. As a result their economy does not have enough jobs for their people. In Indonesia, India and Bangladesh there are so many people who are jobless that people will compete to work to earn a salary that is just enough to buy food.

Huge sectors of our workforce in Malaysia suffer low productivity. And this low productivity is increasing. Minimum wage will only cause more disruption.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Syed,

Minimum wage policy is to discourage exploitation, and is geared towards the 2 - 3 pct of the workforce that requires protection from unscrupulous employers. If you are saying that 20, or 30 or 40 pct of our workforce will be the beneficiaries of this minimum wage policy, then I think there is something wrong with this country. We are talking of a minimum wage level of RM 800 per month !

Godfather

Anonymous said...

And I think you are being unduly melodramatic. Both BN and Pakatan are in agreement about the need for a min wage policy, but the argument is about the right level. There are no political connotations unless the level is set unrealistically high, as what MTUC wants.

Godfather

Anonymous said...

Tuan Syed,

This is an issue I am with you. The minimum wage policy will simply be a bonus for lazy employees. This is a country where its never easy to sack and employee. The truth is the Labour Department and the courts are more often than not on the siode of the employee however recalcitrant they are.

This is a country were we think of ways not to work. Remember, cuti umum satu negara when Malaysia won the cheap Asean Cup. We just have too many holidays.

The truth is that the 'open house" is just a lie. Hardly anyone get invited to another's house to celebrate their festive. So why can't we have save for certain designated holidays as a national holiday, days like Thaipusam, Vesak,hari Raya Haji all become only holidays for those who are celebrating.

I have 47 staff out of wich 43 are Malays. Tak kan the Malay staff patut cuti celebrate Thaipusam.

I think the government should dictate market forces to fix their salaries.

Norman Fernandez

Donplaypuks® said...

Minimum Wage was introduced in many western countries long before they were super developed countries e.g. USA in 1938 following the 1929 Wall St. Crash and the Great Depression that followed.

The pace of global development from the 2nd half of the 20th century was such that, unlike USA and UK etc., we in M'sia did not have to wait 200 years before we attained close to developed status.

Note too that Minimum Wage in most countries is not structured as a single tier policy. The wage rates for apprentices and beginners, those below 21 years and those above, and those with and without relevant qualifications are different.

Refer to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/07/minimum-wage-increase-help-economy-experts_n_872617.html CLICK HERE why some experts in the USA are recommending minimum wage rates be increased at a time when unployment rate is 8.3%.

In this day and age, how can we in M'sia justify paying adults basic wages of $400 or $600 for 8 hours a day/30 days a month full time jobs? This is the worse kind of exploitation - cheating our own fellow citizens and prospering at their expense.

This outburst by the SME spokesman of 80% of SME's going broke if minimum wages are introduced, is pure spin. He also said SME's typically work on profit margins of 3%-5%!!?? At this rate, I wonder whay they are in business for? Charity?

No one will go broke. Suave businessmen will work out productivity targets for all their workers on minimum wage. Eventually, turnover will increase and businesses will be profitable. There is no unique 1 rule for Malaysia, and another for the rest of the world.

Dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the Human Race

Anonymous said...

Minimum wage is the first step towards a greater future...I totally agree with this one long outstanding move by the Govt...

Grand Marquis said...

You are taking 16 sme operators or I would rather say the capitalist side of the story. I bet it would be not difficult for anyone to find 16 employee who live a miserable due to exploitation by their greedy employer who pay them 400 for 8 hours work, six days a week.

You may be right in some points and frankly we do not need to be so brainy to know that certain issues like the plastic boxes and school bus decisions were wrong. But the issue of minimum wage is still under debate and I don't think you can be so quick to claim victory.

By the way, we are not copying minimum wage as practice in western country. We are talking about RM 900 in year 2012.

These SMEs are labour intensive because its simply cheap to hire. Why would you spend 500000 to buy a machine where they can use the same money to hire 10 people (with a pay of 400 a month) for 10 years?

In whatever policy you try to implement, you cannot always satisfy everybody. You can satisfy the greed of SME operators, but what about their employees? The ideal is to find the right balance where the amount will not hurt the employers and at the same time protecting the employees. So 900, is certainly reasonable.

Anonymous said...

everybody is right - both the pro and against. I have on many occasions attended arguments betwen many clever people on a variety of issues. Sometimes couldn't help wondering why I am not clever as those protoganists. Sometimes during time off, especially during toilet time ,when you are able to pry urself from the session, basic question floats in like " does it make life better ? " After a minute or two of zenlike enlightening, came back to the session watching people now trying to outdo each other in talking..not to solve problems :-(
Coming back to the minimum wage issue , does it solve problems ? mmmm.. yes the current ruling politicians who wants to win coming elections. It will solve THEIR problems. Utang banyak maa..they need access to easy money.( Remember the selangor MP who got six years for making false claims ? )and he is only an underling...imagine if he is a minister .
Sometimes we are not being realistic. We ask people whose lives depend on winning the elections make good decisions. Can u imagine life without outriders,millions stashed, kompangs and smiles and people kissing their hands ..and weemen. Thinking about what they can get their hands on can give u heart palpitations :-)
Our only hope is that polticians with a tiny minnie bit of conscience wins the coming elections

SB said...

1. When gov waived billion dollars on taxes or build billion dollars infrastructures for billionaire n sme, it's called incentives. When the poor are at the receiving end, you called it subsidies and destroying the economy.

2. If companies can't pay salaries more than the gov can spend for a prisoner, let them shut down. If those companies shutdown, other type of companies will flourish; most probably less corrupt companies or companies with better management.

3. All the BS about lazy employees are mostly due to weak management and non-existence SOP and SOW.

4. Most companies in Malaysia treat the workers like slaves. Even MNC in Malaysia get away with it because of weak enforcement and rich friendly policies. How else can u explain my kid work hours is 8am-11pm working for an MNC? Can only claim OT if work after 11pm and paid less than USD1000 monthly. That's the value of a top grads with excellent command of English. It's not getting any better if the SPM and diploma holder is paid much less. Can u blame those refuse to work because he or she knows ROI?

5. However, the minimum wage policy is as good as the gov that implement it. With the current gov track records, I have my doubts.

Anonymous said...

syed, of course if looking at the employer perspective, they will never agree for the minimum salary wages set..they just want more untung..untung tetap untung, but the minimum salary policy will reduce their untung..

But it kinda exploitation when actually their workers are underpaid..this kind of policy is to force them pay more to their workers..so wealth is well spread to many peoples, not certain individuals

certainly, Gov has to use their veto power for the best of majority people, they simply cannot satisfy all malaysian in one go..

But the perangkap thingy i think i read somewhere, there are many anwarinas in BN..and if Dr M is right, these peoples are well funded by US too...

Just wait and see

Anonymous said...

Instead of a minimum wage by month, what about min. hourly rate which is a better alternatif.

That should take care of unproductive and lazy workers. The more hours you work , the more you earn.

This should not apply to public sector employees cos no one is paid below the poverty line or is the Govt going to admit they are also exploiting the public sector employees?

I think you are being melodramatic in most things and I wonder how you can't think things out clearly.

Something is wrong with your way of thinking. One track mind only.



Drama King

Anonymous said...

I would rather live in Third World Malaysia with dinner on the table rather than live in pseudo developed world Malaysia but have to queue in searing tropical heat for a morsel of chicken rice from Salvation Army mobil kitchen.....

P.S Be aware of the regime change movement sponsored by CIA, MOSSAD, Sing Central Inte...

Ibrahim Kati

Ah Beng Crosby said...

Probably minimum wage in this context meant for the con-sultant, wage starting at RM10million per consult.

Anonymous said...

Mr Norman Fernandez,

Based on your tadika level logic why dont you start working on Hari Raya and other Muslim holidays too.

Go work la.. nobody's stoping you. Last I checked, M'sia is still free country...

Budak Kuala Lipis

Syed Akbar Ali said...

I think some of the cyber troopers have been sending comments that seem to attack the messenger instead of the message. The issue at stake here is our country - not my shipping industry or my housing business. The people who will suffer most here are the underclasses. This includes a large number of Malays. They will lose out through unemployment (who wants to pay RM900 when the work done is worth less), through business closures (many small businesses cannot afford to hira workers anymore) and through runaway inflation.

Please answer these three points

i. are you saying that people will not lose jobs?
ii. are you saying small businesses and SMEs will not close down?
iii. are you saying there will be no high inflation?

The silence is deafening. Answer the question please. Thank you.

SAA

The silence is deafening.

Anonymous said...

The group ethnic is well known of exploiting their workers to the maximum. Just look at how they treat their maid..like slave and some underpaid.
Their god is money.

Grand Marquis said...

Syed,

1. Losing job
Yes, some might. But it will give them the courage to find other. It is better for them not to work than for them to work for a 400 a month job. Because they can easily get 400 elsewhere saving the time they have to spend in their full time job. Even without minimum wage, people still losing job.

2. SME close down
Well, like someone said, if you can't pay your employee the amount spend on prisoner, then its better for you to close down. It does not mean that when these SMEs close down, it is bad for the economy. It may be good as well as it will force those exploitative SMEs to close down. The price will be stable as no one will try to outdo their competitor by ridiculously low price product which they can achieve by exploiting cheap labour.

3. High inflation
It is a subjective question. How sure are you that there will be high inflation? Inflation is already high even though we do not have minimum wage. Inflation should be fought in different way, but to link high inflation and minimum wage is utterly a wild conjecture.

Anonymous said...

I hope Najib would not change policies that have been announced. Just implement them. Any shortcomings can be rectified along the way. Skim Gaji penjawat awam SBPA mesti dilaksana. Jangan patah balik. Kalau tidak nanti jadi Flip Flop PM macam dulu.

Anonymous said...

Syed:

Please dont get all worked up!!!
I dont think people understand the implications. Most see the extra $$$ in their eyes.

Here are some facts!!
1) higher salaries will mean companies moving away from Malaysia. Those work can be done in indonesia, Vietnam, China, etc etc for allot cheaper

2) Immediately inflation. What this will do is make housing (price of houses go higher), food more expensive, etc etc

3) higher unemployment. What do you do with those who no longer can find job because employer cannot afford the minimum wage?
High productive workers are going to be in high demand. INstead of hiring 4, employers will higher 2, but will pick the best and those who works harder! Guess who will suffer? Higher crime rate?

4) What do you do with people who knows they are guarantee the minimum wage and won't put any extra effort to work? The country will be doomed because of unproductive workers.

Minimum wage when done right is GOOD. Many western world has it. But they are done in stages and wages raised very slowly to ensure if has little impact to the economy.

But knowing our government, It will make things worst.

Anonymous said...

Grand Marqui:
In Canada, it cost (Canadian dollars) $110,000 to keep a prisoner.
I guess the people in Canada should at least make CAD$110,000 per year!!!! NOT

Anonymous said...

Tuan Syed,

Employers, small business operators & entrepreneurs can understand your agreements. I bet all those commentators criticising you are not from the above group, They are all employees, people who 'makan gaji' and do not know the problems of small businessess.

Problem is, the govt tasks these makan gaji people, the govt officers to do the survey & research. Ditto the con-sultants, pun makan gaji jugak! Mana depa nak faham! Kita yang dok bergelut trying to make our business survive, depa tak nak tanya pun!

The impression that these 'makan gaji' people who drop their comments here that we employers only want to maximise profits, show their ignorance. If the employers are bloodsuckers, do you think our staff would want to stay with us? SME businesses are very labour-dependant, we value our workers as we rather not have to constantly re-train new workers. That's why we pay bonus, duit raya, duit naik sekolah to ur workers.

Yeah right..milk the business dry. Have your pound-of-flesh with the minimum wage. No need to wait for extraordinary payouts. Hopefully you still have your job by year's end. Me? I'm quitting my business before I go under.

I wonder if any of the dissenters to Tuan Syed's view is an employer? Probably none. Tak payah kelentong la..

Liteweight 123

mekyam said...

salam, tuan syed!

i've been wondering why the proposed malaysian minimum wage calculation is based on a monthly stipend.

i think you know this, but in the US, minimum wage is calculated for those receiving hourly renumerations. those who are paid monthly or every two weeks are considered salaried and are not covered by minimum wage requirement(s).

with minimum wage covering only hourly or wage earners, employers of small businesses or with low capital outlay have more flexibility in adjusting their overheads. it also leaves less room for employers to exploit workers and vice versa.

this is an exerpt from Wikipedia on Minimum Wage in the US:

This is a list of the minimum wages (per hour) in each state and territory of the United States, for jobs covered by federal minimum wage laws. If the job is not subject to the federal Fair Labor Standards Act, then state, city, or other local laws may determine the minimum wage. A common exemption to the federal minimum wage is a company having revenue of less than $500,000 per year while not engaging in any interstate commerce.

Under the federal law, workers that receive a portion of their salary from tips, such as wait staff, are required only to have their total compensation, including tips, meet the minimum wage. Thus, often, their hourly wage, before tips, is less than the minimum wage. 8 states do not allow for a tip credit. Additional exemptions to the minimum wage include many seasonal employees, student employees, and certain disabled employees as specified by the FLSA.

In addition, some counties and/or cities within states may observe a higher minimum wage than the rest of the state in which they are located; sometimes this higher wage will apply only to businesses that are under contract to the local government itself, while in other cases the higher minimum will be enforced across the board.

Budak kampung said...

Salam Tuan Syed,

This one with better & compelling facts,figures & arguments than the previous post.Thumbs up to you Tuan Syed.Somehow you have slightly convinced this local grad.

mekyam said...

*correction*

this ...have more flexibility in adjusting their overheads should read ...have more flexibility in adjusting their running costs.

Anonymous said...

My monthly income is above average for Malaysian standard as an employee and my wife runs a small business. I agree with minimum wage policy. SMEs that run business which is labour intensive should close down. People who lose their jobs will easily find another job in Malaysia. We have millions of foreigners who earn way above the minimum wage while our locals are suffering. Biz making 3-5 % profit should also close down since this shows poor biz model, although I doubt our SMEs are actually earning that little. Employers should start investing in machines to increase productivity. Human beings are capable of achieving impossible feats for survival. This ability plus human creativity will save the employers and employees if this minimum wage is implemented. To answer your question, people will lose their jobs, SMEs will close down but both will benefit the biz n workers in the long run. High inflation - price of things has already gone up in most things despite using foreign cheap labour for most of our industries partly due to greed.I personally think the price of things is determined by demand. If a product is unaffordable most likely the demand will drop and bring down the price of the product.If business adopt the " sell more at cheaper price " to make more money, they will be able to survive.

Anonymous said...

I agree with some of the comments made that with minimum wage policy this will discourage exploitation. I'm all for minumum wage however I do believe that this should be done in phases to minimise the impact on the employer's cash flow.
This article attached, I feel has a balance feel on the subject:
http://bit.ly/wxEfV0

Anonymous said...

Mr Syed,

Have u ever tried living in this day n age in KL or Selangor with a salary of RM600?

TLCG said...

Indon maids at RM350 - reminds me of my father reminiscing the past with noodles for 10sen only...

Malaysia, even will all the statistics and inflated property prices, is currently in stagflation. I don't care what our Finance Minister says, property and food prices have exploded to more than 6 times of middle income earners. Many Malaysians have to find work and businesses from overseas coz no point scratching the same pie at home.

Malaysia does not have own people to work in manufacturing and F&B, while our neighbours Indonesia, Phillippines and Vietnam have huge domestic workforce. Thanks to NEP, our bumiputeras are either still in the jungle or they rather be commission men or silent partners. That leaves the Chinese and Indians, whose exam results have more credibility than a Malay's buta-degree, blue collar employment is beneath them, so they'd rather be doing MLM,insurance, high paid job or "stay at home until you find a job you like".

Who else is earning below RM800 other than interns? I really don't know, especially in KL.

Ask around, manufacturers rather hire Vietnamese workers than locals, reasons cited attitude problems.

Min.wage is inevitable.

Letters to Bro said...

assalamualaikum,.

Tuan syed,

i am the one of your blog reader and i love your blog..

but something is bothering me about your entry saying that "should Indonesia and Bangladesh also have a minimum wage policy?"
as i know Indonesia already have minimum wage policy which different in each province, such as Jakarta have a minimum wage IDR 1,529,150 (RM 546.13) this year.

but of course its just enough to buy food and transport fee. i am not sure that policy contribute to high inflation rate every year..


i dont know much about Bangladesh, but i think Indonesia is a lot better than Bangladesh, right sir?

thanks, correct me if i am wrong sir..