Fuiyyo. A masjid refusing to perform funeral rites for a Muslim. Folks I am not surprised at all with this story. Please read my books that I wrote beginning 2005, please read my Blog that is now four years old, please read my newspaper columns from the 1990s and early 2000. This is religion.
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Thursday, April 12, 2012
Us Versus Them
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Tuan Syed,
Interesting observation, which should be an eye opener for Muslims as to where their faith is heading.
I remember when my IIU lecturer,Prof. Saedon who later became the Mufti of Brunei, use to say 'perkara yang tidak perlu diusulkan, tak perlu diusulkan and jika ada kemuskilan rujuk pada al-quran, kalau tak disebut dalam al-quran, jangan pandai buat ayat sendiri dan bidaah sendiri'.
Tuan Syed,
There is also a new strange fenomena. Go to book shops, all Non-Muslim books are stacked on bookshelves marked "Religion" while Muslim religious books are placed in bookshelves marked "Agama".
Another trend is Muslims peridicals and some Muslim ulamaks like Nasruddin Hassan who will refer in his speech and writing "orang Islam" and "Non Muslims - never orang bukan Islam !
Strange things are happening in Malaysia.
Norman Fernandez
You can only find the type of Muslim you are talking about in Bolihland syed.......Islam is being exploited to the brim by the hypocrite Bolihland Muslims....where in the world can you find a country where the Islamic body is headed by a bunch of so called raja whose conduct and moral value is always a doubtful issue......?
tuan syed....
saya rasa komen tuan syed ttg islam ni tak pernah sampai kepada kumpulan "club of doom", ini kerana tuan syed perlu menulis dalam bahasa arab, baru blog tuan menjadi medium bacaan bagi golongan ni.
kalau tuan syed tulis dalam BI alamatnya tak sampailah dakwah ni kepada "club of doom".
No wonder so many ladies nowadays refused to get married.. Nak kahwin susah, dah kahwin pun susah.. Better stay single, free as a bird, nobody to control you..
RCZ
Tuan Syed,
Saya ada nak share pasal benda ni. Pernah terjadi pada pak penakan saya. Dia ni bukan la "kaki" masjid. Dalam arti kata lain, dia ni bukan jenis org tua pencen yg 24/7 duduk melepak kat masjid dan dengar ceramah dan tazkirah karot marot tak kira hujat ribut.
Satu hari dia meninggal dan saya bersama anak lelaki sulong dia pi la kat masjid bagitau nak tolong uruskan jenazah dan mintak kebenaran nak kebumi. Org yg jaga masjid tu kata dia tak kenal si mati. Maka dia kata susah nak tolong uruskan. Dia mintak saya call satu org ni yg kerja dia mmg uruskan org mati yg tak ada waris dan keluarga. Selalu org guna utk mereka yg mati kat hospital atau kena aids dsb..
Saya pon hangin la satu badan. Pasai apa saya nak pi call org ni tolong uruskan jenazah. Padahal waris dia ada dan masjid pon dekat. Cuma sbb si mati ni tak pernah 24 jam melepak kat masjid maka dia tak mau uruskan. Kunonnya nak beri pengajaran pada keluarga si mati yg lain kali masa hidup kena masuk kariah dan join jadi kelab masjid.
Macam ni la Tuan Syed keadaan umat Islam kita kat M'sia ni... sedih keluarga si mati.. last2 kena la call org yg uruskan jenazah tu jugak.. dia pon heran pasai apa org masjid tu suruh call dia...
You see. This is why the nons in Malaysia fear UMNO, In the end the Islamic solution is to kill those who do not see things 'their' way. To paraphrase Lim Guan Eng 'PAS never kiled a Chinese/non-Muslim/Malaysian'. If the PAS people are as psychotic as you portray them to be the <5% Chinese population In Kelantan and Terengganu would have been easily wiped out decades ago under PAS rule. But it was not PAS who killed Teoh Beng Hock or Kugan or Ahmad Sarbani Mohamed.Yes, even the Malays have to live in fear UMNO's murderous tendency nowadays.
It shows that human are becoming more god-like. They decide who should or should not get what they deserve. And their judgment of others is set on what they perceive as ‘good’ and ‘bad’ (among themselves only), humanity comes second, sometimes exceptional. Don’t be surprised, even the highly-educated person falls into this category. For once, we thought that at least, with a higher sense of logical thinking, they will be more considerate and fair but being religiously devoted has given them some sort of superiority over others (again...it’s an recognition only among themselves)
Sabenarnya di Taman Tun itu ramai orang ISLAM YANG MURTAD,YANG ANTI HADITH tinggal di situ.Orang Islam khariah Taman Tun kenal mereka ini.Jadi tidak hairan lah jika mereka mati baru hendak bawa ka mesjid untok sembayang jenazah dan kebumi saperti orang Islam.
Saya teringat satu masa dahulu apabila anak Kasim Ahmad yang tidak percaya kapada Hadith mahu menikahkan anak perempuannya.Majelis Ugama Islam melaang tok Kadi untok menikahkan anaknya kerana mereka kata ia nya murtad.Salepas ia protest merayu baru Majelis Ugama Islam bersetuju salepas anaknya berkata ia tidak setuju dengan apa yang di percayai oleh ayahnya.
Comes bulan puasa, see who makes much money from catering?
We used to sponsor per night which includes buka puasa, more, and sahur all for Rm1000.
couple of years later it went up double. And it is quite close to Tmn Tun...
Tuan Syed,
I thought your in the opinion that Masjid means 'submission' or 'consented decrees'..
now are you saying that Masjid is a physical building?
Yet, there's something not right about a powerful mighty omni-everything who controls everything in this universe yet just keep threatening/warning his *subjects* - its either he is helpless or just plain sadistic, dont u think? Syed will censor this comment of course.
Tuan syed
I have no religion. Tak ada agama. I only submit to God and the Deen he is prescribed. Does it make me a kafir and committed blasphemy? I truly belive what God says in 2:62.
I have a friend from US who became muslim after reading and understanding Quran said ' while i was in Malaysia, i saw lots of muslim but not islam, but back home i see less muslim but islam is being practiced...
Ha ha ha..
Nice...BDW Syed..kekadang pegawai Agama Islam tu yang ngok. Bodoh dan Baghal..Walhal kalau masa aku dulu nak kawin, perlu ada SATU surat akuan Bujang aje..tak kira ler dapat dari mana..dari Pejabat Penghulu ke, Ketua Kampung ke, Mahkamah ke, Majikan ke..janji ada satu surat akuan bujang.
Semua tu boleh bypass kalau Pegawai tu tahu SOP yang sebenarnya..tapi as we know laaa...most of the Pegawai Jabatan Agama tu kira golongan kena Reject 3x..ha ha ha..so benak ler sikit ..tu pasal menyusahkan orang lain ..ha ha ha..
we will be a nation of only grouchy frigid, temperamental,puritanical spinsters and cunt-hungry, insatiable, insecure males soon :)
It is ironic that religion somehow always ends up being divisive and, often times, destructive. Sadly, this is especially true in the case of Islam. Instead of being inclusive and tolerant, some Muslims are prone to feel "holier-than-thou" and that "the others are destined to end up in hell". They listen to a few run-of-the-mill kuliah from some firebrand with bad breath at the mosque and very quickly feel obligated to 'rescue' society from itself. And so they start imposing stupid rules like the above-mentioned 'no-funeral-rites-if-u-dont-join-our-congregation Rule' and 'No-halal-sex-if-u-dont-sit-for-our-test Rule'. All farcical, pesky and counter-productive regulations that serve no purpose other than to bring common folks under their thumb.
Like I always say, Muslims give Islam a bad name. Where is the genuine love between people? Where is the sincere warmth and caring for one another? Where is the inclusiveness and tolerance? By the way, every Muslim knows from Islam 101 that performing funeral rites for the dead is 'fardhu kifayah' ie a mandatory obligation of the living. So, wtf?
Well, the likely reasons they want to force you to join their congregation are (i) more income for the mosque and thus more power to them, and (2) they get to eye your daughters and nieces and ultimately marry them. ("Saya isteri baru seorang, hehehe"). But, of course, their intention to take on another wife is noble! Err, no it's not. Time to call a spade a spade. They just want to f*ck someone hotter and younger. Ah well ....
Tuan Syed;
kalau nak kahwin mudah buatlah cara Syiah; kawin Mutaah..
saya dengar dari kawan saya kat Uni yang banyak budak Iran belajar; dia orang (pompuan le) pun nak cari lelaki Malaysia jadi teman sementara mereka kat Malaysia ni..
Apamacam... tengok mereka ni macam Mek Salleh... teringin jugak saya ni..
dia orang
Hi Vinnan;
u say " To paraphrase Lim Guan Eng 'PAS never kiled a Chinese/non-Muslim/Malaysian'"..
ha ha mana u belajar ni.. orang PAS dulu they were pro Indonesian Raya i.e making Malaysia part of Indonesia Archipelago... Lucky for us, many Malays, Chinese and Indian did not buy this idea..we got our independence otherwise we become an Indonesia colony..
LGE post a question "PAS never killed a Chinese/non Muslim".. did DAP ever killed a Malay ?
I knew the moment DAP won some seats in 1969, they led a procession to kick out the Malays out of Kuala Lumpur..In 1969, the first murder happened in Penang; an UMNO worker was killed by DAP thugs
Alo Sayeed,
I took exceptions to this vinnan felo comments and remarks.
I think this guy is a misfit in our society. What we in general wished is to have a harmonious,truly inclusive and highly understanding society evolving in malaysia that is a society that united and strong.
Contructive criticism are always welcome but vicious, uncouthed and insensitive remarks which are extremely partisan with strong racist nuances are not.
So far the average malaysians tolerate characters like vinnan and he is very lucky indeed as we majority malaysian accommodate this type of oddballs no matter how irritating his remarks be in the name of free speech which we practice in this country but not by the sides that this creature vinnan is siding and glorifying.
Patience has been indeed an humungus virtue in this country.
Views from this vinnan felo as I had noticed in the past were totally oblique and at times offensive. Hey vinnan
Anon 10,43
No need to fear anything for if there's a God he gotta do better than - promising hell fire and threatening anybody for not believing in him - waging wars between people-allowing slavery - asking to kill (animals etc) in his name- affirming another gender is less worthy and the list goes on - you know.
Dey Vinnan,
You're being silly as always.Are you sure the Non-Malays fear UMNO more than they fear PAS? C'mon la tambi.Dont you know that right after the 1969 riots it was PAS who came up to Tun Razak asking that he get rid of the Chinese once and for all? And dont you think that if UMNO is really racist as you said,Tun Razak (UMNO) would just do it then? Your hatred towards the Malays is so obvious la tambi.Have you ever been a 'jemaah' of any mosque to know whats going inside there? Dont you realize that it is your pals the PAS fellas that is creating this 'Us vs Them' atmosphere among the Malays? Ever heard about the 'Sembahyang 2 Imam' phenomenon propagated by your PAS buddies? No? Hahaha..Vinnan,Vinnan - you're really a pathetic old goat.
Anon 10:56 said:
"we will be a nation of only grouchy frigid, temperamental,puritanical spinsters and cunt-hungry, insatiable, insecure males soon"
Already.
In case you have not noticed, Malay guys from sweepers up are having two three indon wives.
Regards
tuan syed
saya kurang bersetuju dgn pandangan tuan. kenapa tuan pertikai keperluan kursus kahwin, keperluan mendapatkan pengisytiharan bujang/kahwin/janda/duda, even katering buka puasa?
semua perkara tersebut bersebab. zaman tuan kahwin dulu takde bebenda ni tapi kenapa sekarang ni ada? janganlah nak relate kewajipan menghadiri kursus kahwin dengan bertambahnya bilangan kes penceraian. Zaman dulu macam la takde bebenda ni. Media sahaja yang tak laporkan.
Memanglah kursus kahwin buat duit, at least ada pengetahuan paling tidak paling asas dalam hal2 rumahtangga. Tak bagus ke program macam tu? At least ada sedikit info untuk pengetahuan serta kesedaran sebelum berkahwin, apa makna perkahwinan, tanggungjawab, etc. etc. Kalau kena sergah tok kadi dengan soalan soalan basic, kalau tak boleh nak jawab, macam mana? Tak dinafikan ada banyak 'lawak' dalam kursus tersebut, itu hanya sebagai selingan dalam 'serius'.
Katering dalam bulan puasa pun biasa juga, macam la orang berebut rebut utk dapatkan lot gerai sementara untuk berniaga bulan puasa. Yang bukan genuine peniaga makanan pun mohon juga. semua nak cari income bulan puasa untuk tambah pendapatan untuk sambut raya.
kes masjid tak terima jenazah tu pulak, tuan kena check lebih mendalam. Actually as a muslim, it should be a 'must' activity going to the mosque. tuan syed hanya berjemaah time solat jumaat sahaja ka? time solat lain tak mahu ka? Tak salah nak nak jadi sebahagian daripada komuniti masjid. Tak semestinya kena duduk masjid 24jam tapi datang masjid untuk beribadah serta merapatkan silaturrahim sesama muslim. Kalau dah meninggal satu hal baru nak cari orang masjid. Time lain, nak buat kenduri doa selamat ke, kenduri arwah ke, mesti nak panggil geng2 masjid juga kan? Even nak dapatkan kebenaran perkahwinan pun kena datang masjid jumpa dengan orang yang berkenaan. Katalah, kalau seseorang tu tak pernah nak datang masjid, bila ada perkara macam ni, nak tak nak mesti datang juga. Eloklah tu. Biar terbuka hati tu sikit..
This time around, your article is not so 'nice'. Mungkin tuan lebih pakar dalam bercakap dalam hal hal politik.
Sebagai penutup, saya simpulkan bahawa, benda2 ni peraturan dah ada dan disediakan. Kalau perlu ditambah baik, bagilah feedback pada pihak yang berkenaa. Jangan terus pukul aje. Selain itu, yang menjalankan tugas/amanah tersebut adalah manusia, bukan robot. Pastinya ada la karenah birokrasi, kelemahan di sana sini. Itu belum lagi nak cerita orang masjid yang punya fahaman politik yang berlainan dengan orang lain!
Salam Jumaat.
Joe
the cartoon say it all 'they claim they are true muslims and they also want to kill each other..to prove what??
my observation ..only muslims (worldwide) like to politicize religion, others faiths dont or less inclined...Dato Nik aziz say voters are accountable for this world and after-world when you vote for a political party...the state control the sermons read,.. in the 50, 60s i think masjid is apolitical
yaakob hitam,
itu assumption awak yang datang tu kononnya anti hadith, murtad etc etc
Arwah nenek saya yang umur 80 tahun waktu meninggal dunia juga mengalami nasib yang sama, hanya kerana abang ipar saya yang bukan kariah pergi ke masjid melaporkan ada kematian.
soalan pertama keluar: "awak ni siapa? tak pernah nampak kat masjid"
jawapan abang ipar saya "memang lah BODOH, sebab saya bukan orang sini, bukan tinggal kat sini pun, tapi yang meninggal tu orang sini"
Assalaamualikum tuan Syed..
Just want to share something..
Me and my family lived in Jakarta. Years ago when my grandfather passed away, we have a little problem to perform funeral rite (“sholat jenazah”) for them. There are 4 suraus in our neighborhood but no one imam surau would like to perform the sholat. They asked some money to us for perform the sholat at their surau. The price is depend on how many “jamaah” will do the sholat. My family refuse to give any cents and they did not allow us to perform the sholat at their surau. Finally with some argue we finally did the sholat at one of the surau. My mothers cousin as the imam and the makmum are our family members only, no one of our neighbors join us.
A few years later my father passed away. We decided to perform funeral rite at our house to avoid their resistance.
Syed,
Here is another one...in Canada.
Bohra burial refusal
Mu' meneen Brothers and Sisters,
As Salaam Aleikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. (May Allah's Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon all of you)
One of our brothers/sisters has asked this question:
Dear Burhan,
I have always enjoyed your way of writing on the faith of true Islamic ways. Recently an incidence has happened in my family and I would like to clear my consciousness in my mind. My experience was as such : My mother passed away, and this happened about 200 kms. away from the community mosque. I called the our mosque Amil to inform him about the incidence and wanted help from him for Burial services. I have always had good standing with the Community , and our request was that my mothers wishes come true to be buried in the same city where she spent 33 years and died there. We all wanted the wishes to come true but the Amil , who said that it was is last decision that he would not do or send any people to recite the burial traditions. We requested this over and over that my , mother have a Bhora traditional Burial.
How ever he refused and insisted that body be moved to 250 km. where the Mosque is and “said that dead peoples wishes can not be kept that way.”
Anyhow this was very upsetting time for the whole family and we decided to do what her wishes were. We had taken the body to the nearest Mosque and did every thing according to the Bhora way but without the help of the Amil. My question to you is that, Have we done anything unIslamic way to carry this . Have we done anything wrong to do this way? Should I be afraid to face the same Amil with nonses attitude and not performing his duties right. Should this kind of Amil be reported to the house of Allah. Is this kind of person really suitable and be allowed to carry Islamic ritual things where he is using his bullyways to control people who at the sad times need help and right of way .Please try to reply this as soon , I will be watching for your answers. My question to is : Was Amil of Toronto right to order us to bring the body 250 km. away from where she lived for past 30 years.? , Is it not sunna to bury the body of person where they die? , Is it wrong to use other muslim mosque for body prepration and prayers.? , Can it be right that, an Amil or any other muslim Imam can refuse to do the burial services ? , In Islamic way what do you think should be the right way to respect the dead.? Do you think that the AMIL acted the Islamic way ? Should he be reported to any Islamic complains office for not doing his job ? Please advice me. I will be waiting for your answer egerly.
Answer:
Bohra burial refusal
In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad(saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers...more.
Thus my beloved brother, never ever despair of the Mercy and Justice of Allah Subhanah, even if the Aamil is able to get away with his oppression and tyranny. Rest assured that he will have his Day in the Just Court of Allah Subhanah, and the currency of the Hereafter is the 'deeds' of the person!
Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah's Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.
Your Brother in Islam,
Burhan
Bohra burial refusal | Islamhelpline - http://www.islamhelpline.com/node/753
You be the judge.
Shalom.
Assalaamualikum tuan Syed..
Just want to share something..
Me and my family lived in Jakarta. Years ago when my grandfather passed away, we have a little problem to perform funeral rite (“sholat jenazah”) for them. There are 4 suraus in our neighborhood but no one imam surau would like to perform the sholat. They asked some money to us for perform the sholat at their surau. The price is depend on how many “jamaah” will do the sholat. My family refuse to give any cents and they did not allow us to perform the sholat at their surau. Finally with some argue we finally did the sholat at one of the surau. My mothers cousin as the imam and the makmum are our family members only, no one of our neighbors join us.
A few years later my father passed away. We decided to perform funeral rite at our house to avoid their resistance.
Anon 2:03 a sujood is a submission, an obeisance etc. You can find many English words to get the idea. A masjid (derived from sujood) is a location where the submission happens or takes place.
SAA
Joe,
Memang komen sdra bangang dan bodoh. Komen yg mati akal yg saya tak tahu macam mana nak jawab pun. Saya pun mati akal.
Tiap kali saya rasa org agama ni dah sampai ke bottom of the pit, ada saja org bangang mcm awak datang, gali lubang lagi dalam, lepas tu terjun dalam lagi.
Macam ni saja lah Joe. Bagi org yang tak pi sembahyang waktu di mana-mana masjid di kawasan mereka,
bila depa mati, kasi makan kat itek saja (mcm disebut hari tu juga). Apa macam?
Atau pun suruh famili dia pi buang mayat dalam tong sampah. Atau dalam sungai (tapi takut pollution pula).
Ataupun biar bawak pi cremation dekat jerat Kristian atau jerat China (Jerat tu tanah kubur lah)
Tapi itu pun org agama tak bagi. Kalau famili dia pi kasi itek makan, mana tahu org agama akan saman famili si mati pula. Susah lagi.
Last sekali, masuk peti ais saja kut. Simpan lama sikit.
(Ayam, sayur, ikan semua letak jauh sikit lah).
Joe, saya bergurau saja. Awak serious ke?
Joe April 13, 2012 11:35:00 AM,
Benda dia mudah saja Joe. Pasai apa yg depa tak mo tolong org dalam kesusahan/kematian hanya sbb hamba Allah tu tak selalu/pernah ke masjid??? Apakah itu yg Allah atau Nabi kita suruh pi buat?? Hanya sebab hamba Allah tu tak join "club masjid" maka bila mati besok pakat2 boycott tak mo urus hanya sbb dia bukan ahli kelab masjid ...ini ka dia kunonnya amalan mulia org2 perasan alim dan perasan dah ada tempat kat sorga yg kerjanya tak ada laen melainkan 24/7 duduk kat masjid???
Org kapiaq laen macam hindu ka, kristian ka pon tak buat kes boycott org mati lagu ni hang tau tak.. hang tak malu ka jadi org Islam??
Aku tak mo mintak banyak. Mintak hang bole tak tolong jawab benda mudah ni??
Joe,
Maka lepas ni ko suruh la bapak, mak, nenek, atok dan seluruh keluarga ko (yg sakit dan bedridden pon ko pergi lah usung juga) pergi ambik membership form kat masjid or surau terdekat dan jadi ahli.. tapi jgn lupa ko satu family tu kena la pergi masjid tunjuk muka.. tak payah semayang kerana Allah pon tak pe. Janji tok2 lebai tu recognize ko and family cukup. Itu lebih baik dari semayang kat masjid kerana Allah.. besok dalam kubur ko pandai2 la nak kasi settle jawapan ko nanti...
Senang sikit kalau ada kematian. Tak lah mayat ko atau family ko dibiarkan berulat dan busuk.. sbb geng2 ko berebut2 nak uruskan mayat ko...
Joe,
Aku ada satu soalan. Kalau bapak kau mati besok dan dia ini jarang ke mesjid dan org masjid buat tak peduli nak uruskan mayat dia, apa kau nak buat dgn jenazah terkujur kaku tu???
Aku ada satu cadangan, kau awet kan aje macam mumia firaun tu....
Kepada sesiapa yang bersungguh-sungguh nak ikut sunnah tengok ayat ni
Dan tidaklah Kami mengutusmu (wahai Muhammad) melainkan sebagai pembawa berita gembira (kepada orang-orang yang beriman) dan pemberi amaran (kepada orang-orang yang ingkar). (25:56)
Katakanlah: "Aku tidak meminta kepada kamu sebarang balasan bagi apa yang aku sampaikan kepada kamu, selain daripada berimannya seseorang yang mahu mendapatkan jalan sampainya kepada keredaan Allah". (25:57)
Nabi Nuh berkata kpd kaumnya
Dan aku tidak meminta kepada kamu sebarang upah mengenai apa yang aku sampaikan (dari Tuhanku); balasanku hanyalah terserah kepada Allah Tuhan sekalian alam (26:109)
Nabi Hud berkata kpd kaumnya
Dan aku tidak meminta kepada kamu sebarang upah mengenai apa yang aku sampaikan (dari Tuhanku); balasanku hanyalah terserah kepada Allah Tuhan sekalian alam (26:126)
Nabi Saleh berkata kpd kaumnya
Ketika saudara mereka - Nabi Soleh, berkata kepada mereka: "Hendaknya kamu mematuhi perintah Allah dan menjauhi laranganNya. (26:142)
Sesungguhnya aku ini Rasul yang amanah, (yang diutus oleh Allah) kepada kamu.
(26:143)
Oleh itu, takutilah kamu akan (kemurkaan) Allah, dan taatlah kepadaku.
(26:144)
Dan aku tidak meminta kepada kamu sebarang upah mengenai apa yang aku sampaikan (dari Tuhanku), balasanku hanyalah terserah kepada Allah Tuhan sekalian alam.
(26:145)
Nabi Lut berkata kepada kaumnya
"Dan aku tidak meminta kepada kamu sebarang upah mengenai apa yang aku sampaikan (dari Tuhanku); balasanku hanyalah terserah kepada Allah Tuhan sekalian alam.
(26:164)
Nabi Syuaib berkata kepada kaumnya
"Dan aku tidak meminta kepada kamu sebarang upah mengenai apa yang aku sampaikan (dari Tuhanku); balasanku hanyalah terserah kepada Allah Tuhan sekalian alam.
(26:180)
Utusan Allah pun tak berjalan ke hulu ke hilir cakap kat orang "cara hidup awak salah ni, masuk neraka ni" atau "ni haram ni"
Pastu mintak duit, tak pun dapat duit daripada donation box, tak macam Ustaz XXXX yang kehulu kehilir buat duit
Jadi kene tanya orang2 masjid ni, awak dapat duit/sagu hati/elaun tak duduk masjid 24 jam ni?
nah.. i don't believe the story about masjid taman tun. i think the story need to be verified to know it's true or false. everything need to be verified including the hadith.
i think this kind of story is fabricated to instigate hatred towards certain people.
read mariam moktar 'when malay silence is not golden'-malaysiakini
..she ask why moderate malays dont speak up?
..that a gd question, only our PM speak up on moderation and you, Dato speak up on truth, the rest r chicken? why?
Dear anonymous,
Aku tak tau macam mana nak jawab soalan hang. First sekali, hang dah kata bodoh. aduiiii...secondly, hang kata aku mati akal then hang pulak mati akal jugak! Hang buat lawak ka mende?
" Macam ni saja lah Joe. Bagi org yang tak pi sembahyang waktu di mana-mana masjid di kawasan mereka, bila depa mati, kasi makan kat itek saja (mcm disebut hari tu juga). Apa macam? "
Aku takde kata pun bagi makan itik. Itu hang punya statement, bukan aku.
Not even buang tong sampah atau pi jirat (bukan jerat), bukan juga masuk peti ais. Cakap pasal peti ais, ada juga mayat dalam peti ais hospital (muslim) yang tidak dituntut waris, mungkin kerana aib atau sesuatu perkara, itu lagi sedih...
Kalau dah lagu tu, cuba cubalah pi masjid, join jemaah. Maksud aku bermasyarakat. Orang masjid pun hang join, masyarakat setempat pun hang join. Bukankah umat Islam itu bersaudara? Bukan maksud hang kena join kelab orang2 masjid tapi hang boleh kenal kariah yang ada kat tempat hang. Hang boleh kenal saudara islam yang solat di situ yang bukan jiran terdekat. Kalau hang businessman, mesti hang suka dapat contact ramai macam ni...
Menjawap persoalan hang di atas, memang tak patut kena boikot orang islam yang perlu pertolongan untuk urusan pengkebumian. Maybe tulisan aku sebelum tu tak clear sangat. Apa yang aku suggest, kenalah bincang dengan orang yang reject urusan pengkebumian itu. Cakap dengan orang tu apa masalah, apa yang tak boleh. Memang boleh bergaduh tapi cubalah bersikap rasional. Aku tau, kadang tu ada jugak orang2 kat masjid tu buat2 sombong bila tiba dalam perkara2 macam ni. Itu mungkin salah satu sebab kenapa orang semakin menjauhkan diri dari masjid, tambah lagi kalau ada fahaman politik berbeza. Apa2 pun, waris kena lah bertindak jugak untuk kebumikan jenazah. Biarlah kalau tak dapat dikawasan tersebut, carilah tempat perkuburan lain. Kalau tak dapat jugak, aku pun tak tau nak cakap macam mana. Biasanya kawasan tanah kubur Islam ni dibahagi kepada beberapa kariah yang diliputi oleh masjid tersebut. Ini disebabkan tempat yang terhad dan priority penduduk setempat. Macam la jugak kalau hang buat report polis, kena pastikan kawasan yang polis tu cover. Bukan tak boleh nak buat kat balai lain tapi kurang kena caranya. Dalam kes jenazah tadi, memang kena bawak bincang dan cari jalan penyelesaian. Ada juga kes yang bukan pemastautin dapat dikebumikan di kawasan yang dia menumpang/tinggal sementara tu.
Sebelum hang nak kata orang2 kat masjid tu perasan boleh masuk syurga sebab dok 24/7 kat masjid, baik hang cermin diri hang dulu.
Kalau depa rasa duduk masjid boleh masuk syurga, hang yang tak pernah pi masjid boleh masuk syurga ka?Itu hanyalah sekadar analogi. Aku tak kata orang yang duduk masjid tu surely boleh masuk syurga tapi at least dorang usaha juga ke arah tu. Orang yang tak pi masjid pula bagaimana? Perangai masing2 itu lain cerita. Itu urusan orang itu sendiri dengan Allah.
So far, aku tak rasa yang orang2 masjid tu duduk 24jam di masjid. Not even imam dan ajk masjid. Dorang still ada family, ada saudara mara, masyarakat setempat yang memerlukan khidmat mereka. Yang pencen tu masa agak free lah. Ada yang masih bekerja, siang kerja malam jadi imam. Dorang ni jugaklah yang akan dipanggil untuk buat kuliah, ceramah, baca yassin untuk kenduri, mandikan jenazah serta urusan pengkebumian dan lain2. Kalau hang join orang masjid, surely hang mesti tau, tak banyak, sikit, pasal perkara2 ni.
Last sekali, aku tak suka la stail orang yang suka nak maki hamun. Nanti maki hamun tu balik pada diri sendiri. Hang boleh tengok gaya2 tu pada perti pembangkang!
Aku harap benda ni clear dan hang faham apa yang aku cuba nak sampaikan.
joe
Semua orang islam itu bersaudara dunia dan akhirat. Apabila ada kematian hendaklah kita menguruskannya tidak kira orang tempatan atau luar asalkan kita ketahui yang simati itu adalah ISLAM. Seorang islam dikampung saya pernah bertanya pada saya sekira LIWAT datang dan menjadi imam sembahyang dikampung adakah saya sanggup menjadi makmum (knowing pretty well that i do not like LIWAT). Saya menjawab YA. Sebabnya ternyata LIWAT masih beriman kepada ALLAH SWT sebab dia takut bersumpah laknat kerana bimbang akan bala dari ALLAH SWT. Sama seperti orang lain yg melakukan dosa2 besar seperti makan rasuah dan bekerja didalam bank dan mengambil gaji dari hasil RIBA. Selagi mereka mengaku tiada tuhan yg lain dari ALLAH SWT dan Muhammad saw itu pesuruh ALLAH SWT maka mereka adalah orang2 yg beriman. Hanya mereka kena memikirkan jalan keluar dan bertekad untuk keluar dari amalan dosa2 besar ini secepat mungkin dan bertaubat nasuha. Kita pernah bergaduh besar kerana merebut seorang India muslim (lelaki) yg telah meninggal beberapa tahun lalu dari keluarganya yg mahu dia dikebumikan secara hindu. Masyallah! Yang ada didepan kita telah nyata seorang ISLAM cuma tidak atau jarang kemasjid dan apabila matinya janganlah kita sisihkan jenazahnya. Kebumikanlah dia dengan hormat dan sopan supaya keluarganya, warisnya dan masyarakat setempat dapat melihat betapa hebatnya persaudaraan keislaman ini. ALLAHUAKBAR!
i found this interesting.
We can see everywhere; workplace, our home, schools etc of a practise that certain group of people are superior than the others (the so called 'in' crowd).
But to find it being practised even in masjid, it's just too much. What gives them the right to refuse request for burial?Even if its for a stranger.
The jemaah should be impartial. We all muslim should stop judging other muslim and being the moral police (and by saying stop judging doesn't mean to accept everything).
And joe; would it make it any better for them, or give a slightest interest to go to mosque if they being treated that way?
They definitely will be interested to got to mosque if their request being politely and willingly accepted, seeing how good the jemaah really are.
Joe,
pergi kursus kawin so that you boleh jawab soalan tok kadi?
Tok kadi tu perlu ke tanya soalan2 in the first place? did takde hak bro.
Muslims always complicate things.
They create requirement after requirement so that they can impose hardship on fellow believers.
Requirement no.1 : tok Kadi kene tanya soalan time nk nikah
Requirement No. 2: untuk memastikan pengantin boleh jawab soalan, kene pergi Kursus Kawin
boleh tak just slash down the first requirement so orang2 islam tak perlu membazir duit/time semata2 nk kawin?
Kursus kawin bagi asas pengetahuan? weh, aku pegi dulu takde makin pandai pun. takde ape yang dia ajar dalam tu. Ko tau ape yang dia tekankan? proses nak dapatkan approval tok kadi dan tok imam. A process that shouldn't have been there in the first place. a process that requires more money and more time to be spent just because u want to spend the rest of your life with your beloved.
Nikah itu satu contract. maksudnye pun contract. Asalkan dapat persetujuan pasangan dan penjaga, orang2 lain tu tak perlu amik hal sangat. sign contract tu patutnye settle la kawin tu. but you complicate things, wasting your money and time. the sad part is, you got duped into thinking that this is God's way and just run along with it.
kang kami berzina, marah pulak! sibuk hantar squad power rangers ngintai orang. tu duit lagi tu, yo lah, sape dok bayar gaji power rangers tu kalau bukan duit cukai hang?
Hei Moshe and cucu,
Very simple fact.
PAS HAS NEVER KILLED A NON-MUSLIM OR A MUSLIM FOR THAT MATTER IM THE NAME OF ISLAM.
UMNO WERE,IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE KILLERS DEMI UGAMA DAN BANGSA IF WE ALLOW UMNO TO STAY IN POWER.
Disprove what I say or you people are no more than just UMNO bullying bastards with no facts in hand.
There cannot be an iota of blame on religions should one throughly understand the kithab.
The Truth in the kithab REveiled [veil removed]we are one absolute WHOLE sentient and non sentient
How can there be divisiveness in something that is non-dual in nature.Try cutting up apace[not air] and if any one succeed.I will throw away my kithab.Those who are under the intoxication from the forbidden fruit of duality.The one absolute seeing[seer] become the multitude seeN [sin]
Secular education feed the mind with continual flow of dualistic knowlegde and every fibre in us and mental contruct are laced by the powerful poison of the forbidden fruit.Did any one ever ask why GOD forbid such a fruit??
By digesting the antidote given as wisdom in the kithab one can even overcome the effect from Adam's first bite on the fruit.Presto we have never left the garden where love is UNconditioned and are not subject to conditions of likes and dislikes.GOD is Great [without duality of greater or lesser]
In this oneness joy is the natural state and is effortless
Joe- typical malay muslim punya otak.denial...denial..denial...baca sampai khatam tapi tak reti-reti - cognitive dissonance is endemic bab tu putar balik tang tu juga beribu tahun....
Anon -Friday, April 13, 2012 10:38:00 AM
alah.. that is a given, tak yah mention lah..RM50 is a fortune and can get you a wife in Pattani too, tak yah cross selat, by road aje.
"Aku tak kata orang yang duduk masjid tu surely boleh masuk syurga tapi at least dorang usaha juga ke arah tu. Orang yang tak pi masjid pula bagaimana? Perangai masing2 itu lain cerita. Itu urusan orang itu sendiri dengan Allah."
eh-eh gi masjid sebab nak masuk syurga ke? tak ikhlas tu.
kesian orang macam saya ni kerja hospital kerajaan yang memanjang kena kerja sebab nak merawat orang, dengan kena standby, sampai rumah masjid pun dah kunci, keluar kerja pun masjid masih berkunci
Joe,
awak ni anak haram ke? biasanya org yg jadi ajk masjid dan surau tu penganggur, drebar teksi, org yg keje kutip sampah dbkl, pesara jawatan rendah kerajaan dan org yg kurang pelajaran, org yg gagal dlm hidup. dia masuk ajk masjid dan surau sbb dia boleh rasa lah power sikit di kawasan dia. Boleh lah dia buli org rasa seronok sikit.
masjid dan surau tu bukan dia punya. bukan dia buat masjid dan surau guna duit dia sendiri. duit tu org ramai punya - dpd hasil kerajaan juga. Kerajaan yg ambil duit hasil, duit cukai utk dibuat masjid dan surau.
ajk masjid tu semua rumah sendiri pun dia tak ada duit nak beli. ajk masjid dan surau biasa duduk rumah pprt, rumah panjang, rumah org yg miskin, tak ada kerja dan jawatan. itulah ajk masjid.
bila dia jadi ajk masjid dan surau dia ingat dia sudah jadi boss. dia ingat masjid dan surau tu mcm bapa dia punya duit. dia buat mcm harta dia sendiri.
boleh larang nak sembahyang jenazah org. boleh cap org tak sembahyang, boleh cap org bukan qariah.
masjid tak ada qariah tetap lah bodoh. semua org islam jadi qariah utk semua masjid dlm dunia. semua org islam jadi qariah masjid nabawi di madinah dan masjid haram di Mekah. sbb tu esok bila awak mampus kat mekah atau madinah, dia masih hormat jenazah awak. dia tak suruh org pergi buang bangkai awak di tempat lain.
saya lihat gaya awak ini mcm setan perosak yg suka porak perandakan antara org islam. org islam sama islam mesti tunjuk simpati dan kasih sayang. jgn buat kerja setan utk pecah belahkan umat.
shuk,(april 12, 4:32pm) ..the constitution say they are the head of religion, some argue it's God's creation or the british's creation.
political islam..somebody say this' ..keep them ignorant , easy to control.."
btw,anon apr13, 5:06pm newspaper: 'fighting/quarrel' reported.. among two committee members in Masjid, in bangi...not surprising , masjid got its political affiliation
Bro, i blog about this several times, we need to keep 'kicking the wall' till it will break. Kicking the wall is an irish proverbs
Salam Tuan Syed,
Berkemungkinan ayat-ayat berikut ada kaitan dengan tajuk kuttt!
5:48 Dan Kami yang telah menurunkan kepadamu kitab yang benar dan mengesahkan apa yang diantara dua tanganya dari kitabnya dan yang mengawal ketulinanya dan hukumlah diantara kamu dengan apa yang telah diturunkan Allah dan jangan kamu ikut nafsumu setelah datang kepadamu yang benar dan sekelianya Kami jadikan syariat/syir’atan yang jelas dan jika dikehendaki Allah pasti dijadikan ummat yang satu tetapi dikehendaki menguji kamu dengan apa yang diberikan kepadamu maka berusaha-gigihlah kamu kepada kebajikan/-lkhairaati dan kepada Allah tempat kembalimu semua maka akan dikhabarkan kepadamu dengan apa yang telah kamu pertikaikan.
5:49 Dan hendaklah kamu menghukum diantara mereka dengan apa yang diturunkan Allah dan jangan kamu mengikuti hawa nafsu mereka dan mempengaruhi kamu dari sebahagian apa yang diturunkan Allah kepadamu dan jika mereka berpaling maka ketahuilah Allah pasti menimpakan bencana atas kesalahan mereka dan kebanyakan dari manusia adalah darinya orang yang fasik.
5:50 Apakah hukum -ljaahiliyyati yang mereka kehendaki maka hukuman siapakah yang terbaik selain dari Allah bagi kaum yang yakin.
5:51 Wahai orang yang amanah jangan kamu mengambil -lyahuuda dan -nnashaaraa pemimpin, mereka memimpin dikalangan mereka dan sesiapa mengambil mereka maka kamu dari mereka sesungguhnya Allah tidak memberi petunjuk kepada kaum yang zalim.
5:52 Maka lihatlah orang yang dalam hatinya berpenyakit mereka bersegera kepada yahuuda dan nahsaaraa dan berkata kami takut ditimpa bencana dan mudah-mudahan Allah datangkan kemenanagan atau perintah dari sisinya maka terjadi keatas mereka apa yang dirahsiakan dalam diri mereka maka jadilah mereka darinya orang yang menyesal.
5:53 Dan berkata orang yang amanah, inikah orang yang bersumpah kepada Allah dengan bersungguh-sungguh sumpah mereka maka dengan itu sia-sialah amalan mereka dan jadilah mereka orang yang rugi.
5:54 Wahai orang yang amanah sesiapa dari kamu berpaling /yartadda dari diinihii kelak didatangkan suatu kaum yang Dia mencintai mereka dan mereka mencintaiNya dan Dia berlembut dengan orang yang amanah dan bertegas dengan orang yang tidak percaya dan mereka berjuang dijalan Allah dan tidak takut kepada cemuhan orang yang mencemuh demikian itulah kurnian Allah diberikan kepada sesiapa yang dikehendaki dan Allah yang mengetahui yang luas pengetahuanya.
5:55 Pastinya wali kamu Allah dan penyampainya dan orang yang amanah dan orang yang melaksanakan kewajipanya dan yang menunaikan kemurnianya dan mereka yang patuh.
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5:56 Dan sesiapa berpaling kepada Allah dan penyampainya dan orang yang amanah maka dia golongan /hizba Allah dan pasti dia berjaya.
5:57 Wahai orang yang amanah jangan kamu ambil orang yang menjadikan ejekkan dan mainkan dengan diina kamu diantara orang yang telah diberi kitab sebelum kamu dan kepimpinan orang yang tidak percaya maka prihatinlah Allah jika kamu orang yang amanah.
5:58 Dan jika kamu menyeru mereka melaksanakan kewajipanya, mereka mengambilnya sebagai ejekkan dan permainan maka demikian itulah kaum yang tidak menggunakan akal /berfikir/laa ya’qiluuna.
5:59 Katakan wahai ahli kitab apakah kamu membenci kami kecuali kami amanah kepada Allah dan apa yang diturunkan kepada kami dan yang sebelumnya dan kebanyakan dari kamu orang yang fasik.
5:60 Katakan mahukah aku khabarkan kepadamu yang lebih buruk ganjaran disisi Allah maka sesiapa telah dilaknati dan dimurkai Allah atasnya pasti dijadikan mereka kera/-lqiradata dan babi /alkhanaazira dan mereka berkhidmat kepada -ththaghuuta dan bagi mereka sangat hina tempat penginapanya dan mereka sesat dari jalan yang lurus.
5:61 Dan jika mereka datang kepadamu mereka berkata, kami amanah sesungguhnya mereka masuk dengan keingkaran dan pastinya mereka keluar denganya dan Allah mengetahui apa yang mereka sembunyikan.
5:62 Dan kamu lihat kebanyakan dari mereka bersegera kepada dosa dan permusuhan dan rasuah maka sangat buruk apa yang mereka lakukan.
5:63 Mengapa sarjana dan pendeta mereka tidak melarang ucapan dosa dan memakan rasuah maka sangat buruk apa yang mereka usahakan.
Kiranya tidak kelewatan bagi mereka yang baru 'BALIGH' selepas pencen untuk kembali kepada Al Qur'an...
Ada lagi ke orang baca komen yg berjela-jela quoting... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
tuan syed, before you, Dr MAZA has already "tegur" this procedure to get married in malaysia. just FYI.
Thank you Santo. I also wrote about this in my book "Malaysia & The Club of Doom" published in 2006. At that time Dr Maza was 34 yrs old and not yet Mufti of Perlis. I have also raised the issue of Kursus Kahwin in my columns in the Berita Minggu (late 90s till 2004). Dr Maza is familiar with my views. He told me so.
I hope we can do something good for the community. We are just choking ourselves with too many man made rules and laws.
SAA
It seems that the Muslim's are Islams's greatest enemy now.
P.N.A
It seems that the Muslim's are Islams's greatest enemy now.
P.N.A
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