The Pakatan folks are
crowing about their tokong again.
This time around their hero gave a speech at the Foreign Correspondent’s Club (FCC)
and they are all salivating, Pavlovian style of course.
You can read it here (its another one of their ‘let me kiss your
b@tt’ Blogs).
There is also a “COMMENT by Terence Netto” about their tokong’s
speech at the Foreign Correspondents Club. Terence Netto says :
- More significant and instructive about the political thinking of Anwar was his lauding, at the FCCM dinner, of the merits of ‘Democracy in America’, the classic work of the French diplomat and historian Alexis de Tocqueville, who wrote the book in 1835 after a nine-month tour of America during which he learned about democracy from the experience of ordinary people.
- Anwar said he always recommended the book to the younger set of leaders in his party, PKR, for their edification. Tocqueville’s central point was that democracy would sweep the world, though it has taken nearly two centuries for that to happen to most countries of the world.
- The reason the French noble said that democratic revolution would be inevitable in the world was the system’s conferment of equality on the people.
- There are several other points Tocqueville made in his seminal book, but the one about the ordinary people’s preference for equality was, he (Anwar) observed, strongly held.
Is that so Terence? Then Terence
Netto espouses the wet dream of many frustrated and racially challenged folks :
“If Anwar’s and his followers’ understanding of Tocqueville’s emphasis on equality is well founded, it would follow that a non-Malay leader of requisite calibre can become PM of Malaysia.”
Aiyyo Terence yennadey. Since you will be among the racially
challenged crowd which crows that all Malays come from Indonesia, then you will
note that in Bali, the Malays there are predominantly Hindus. In Bali there are Malay
Hindu brahmins as well. And only Malay Hindu brahmins are allowed to become the
priests in the temples in Bali. Why is
that?
Terence, do you think they understand
“Tocqueville’s emphasis on equality” in Bali? I know I am side tracking but I just
thought you may need some focus.
Before I go further, your tokong is well known for quoting books
and authors that he has not read or which he has not understood. I think the same applies for his un-understanding of Alexis de Tocqueville.
Your tokong once wrote that he
recommended for Dr Mahathir to read a seminal book on Islam by Said Ramadan or
someone. It turned out that the book he recommended was current at the Islamic University when
your tokong was almost in power. What a coincidence?
The
thin book (about 100 pages) was a basic
introduction to Islam for 1st year students and sold for about
RM7/=. To him it was a ‘seminal’
work as well. Why? I think it was because the book was thin enough for him to read.
But saddest of all is the story
of Mohamed - a short, fat and balding guy (whom I met at the Finance Ministry in
1997). Mohd’s table was always full of books, left open here and there. It was
Mohd’s job to use colour highlighters to mark phrases and quips that his tokong
would then include in his speeches – to make it appear that he was a book
reading intellectual.
That was why during those Budget speeches no one could
understand what he was trying to say, including poor Mohd who highlighted the passages.
After he was released from
prison (where he was jailed for six years for the corrupt abuse of power of ordering the Police to arrest and torture a
young woman) your tokong told his admirers that he had read Shakespeare almost seven times. Of course the type of people who admire him may pronounce it as seks-spear.
Shakespeare wrote over 40
plays, poems and over 150 sonnets. Easily more than 2000 pages of writing. Hamlet
alone, Shakespeare’s longest play, has over 4042 lines (that’s about 250 pages?) Your tokong expects us to believe that he read all
these almost seven times? Terence do you believe
him? I bet he cannot tell you what is a sonnet?
So when you say : “Anwar
said he always recommended (Tocqueville’s) book to the younger set of leaders
in his party, PKR, for their edification” it does make me laugh.
Firstly I think he is just
making these things up. I don’t think he said any such thing. Secondly even the
foreign journalists at the Foreign Correspondents Club wont know who the hell
was Alexis de Tocqueville.
Imagine YB
Bagel, Loh Go Burn or whoever going to Borders and asking the girl ‘You got
Alexis Tokawil or not?’
Anyway here is some comment
about Alexis de Tocqueville including about his “seminal” book “Democracy in America”. This one here is by one Jennifer Pitts, Department of Government,
Harvard University titled “Liberalism
and empire: Tocqueville on Algeria”
(Wow, even I - who cannot be impressed - am still not impressed).
First of all Jennifer Pitts
quotes Tocqueville : “I have no doubt
that we can raise on the coast of Africa a great monument to the glory of our
country” - Alexis de Tocqueville, Second
letter on Algeria (1837)
Then the Harvard scholar continues
:
Tocqueville’s turn to
Algerian colonization as a kind of solution for France’s domestic political
crisis—a solution he clung to with sometimes desperate hope in spite of its
clear moral and practical flaws—demonstrates his sense of crisis during the
1840s. It also illustrates certain
ill-known contours of his liberalism:
i. its susceptibility to the notion of national
glory as a substitute for political virtue;
ii. its willing exclusion of unfamiliar peoples
from moral consideration for the sake of national consolidation.
iii. Tocqueville’s commitment to the colonial
project was typical of the period and was shared across an astonishingly broad
political spectrum.
To both the Brader and Terence Netto, what the Harvard woman is saying was that Alexis Tocqueville was a raving colonialist. Don’t believe me? Here, you can repeat this famous quote by Alexis de Tocqueville :
"I have no doubt that we can raise on the coast of Africa a great monument to the glory of our country - Alexis de Tocqueville, Second letter on Algeria (1837)"
Tocqueville was writing about the need for the French butchering, murdering, slaughtering and pillaging Algeria. Someone should tell the Brader (as well as Terence Netto) that Alexis de Tocqueville was France’s biggest expert on Algeria at exactly the same period in history when the French decided to butcher the Arabs in Algeria.
Here is that Harvard University scholar on Tocqueville again :
- After his election to the Chamber of Deputies, Tocqueville came to be seen as the parliament’s greatest expert on the colony.
- In 1841, the same year that the French began the total conquest and deliberate colonization of Algeria, he made the first of his two visits to the country, for he considered direct observation crucial for an understanding of the colonial project.
- The essay he wrote in 1841 upon returning from his first journey shows Tocqueville at his most ruthless.
- After defending the general goal of French domination of Algeria, Tocqueville defended the most violent means as well:
- ‘I have often heard men whom I respect, but with whom I do not agree, find it wrong that we burn harvests, that we empty silos, and finally that we seize unarmed men, women, and children’, he wrote.
- ‘These, in my view, are unfortunate necessities, but ones to which any people who want to wage war on the Arabs are obliged to submit’.
- His visit had convinced him of the impossibility of racial integration;
- he now believed that French relations with indigenous Algerians would consist largely of violence,
- and he began to focus his energies on the legislation for, and administration of, the European colony.
Aiyyo Terence – what Tocqueville
is saying is that it is better that only Malay Hindu brahmins become the
priests at the temples in Bali. Orang lain semua tak boleh. And if you cannot
accept that, then you can consider yourself “racially challenged”. (I just
coined this phrase lah – its past midnite and I just slept thru Tom Hanks ‘Angels
& Demons’. It’s the sleep therapy.)
The Brader says he rcommends Tocqueville’s book “Democracy in America” for 'the younger set of leaders in his party, PKR, for their edification'.
Here is another website which quotes from
Tocqueville’s book ‘Democracy in America”.
Tocqueville visited America when
slavery was still being practiced in the South. The North had abolished
slavery. This was Tocqueville’s observation about slavery :
“In the South the master is
not afraid to raise his slave to his own standing, because he knows that he can
in a moment reduce him to the dust at pleasure. In the North the white no
longer distinctly perceives the barrier that separates him from the degraded race,
and he shuns the Negro with the more pertinacity since he fears lest they
should some day be confounded together.”
Such kindly and loving
language – “..not afraid to raise his slave to his own standing, because he
knows that he can in a moment reduce him to the dust at pleasure”
Tocqueville was raising the racist Southerners to
the same level as the anti-slavery Northeners.
Putting it another way Tocqueville was lowering the anti-slavery
Northeners to the level of the racist Southerners.
There is more about
Tocqueville’s racially challenged attitudes. Just search Google for ‘Alexis de Tocqueville’s racism’. See what pops up. Here is another example :
Writing
in 1841, Tocqueville promoted the suspension of all religious and political
freedoms for native Algerians.
Of such acts he wrote:
- In France I have often heard people deplore [the army] burning harvests, emptying granaries and seizing unarmed men, women and children.
- As I see it, these are unfortunate necessities that any people wishing to make war on the Arabs must accept...
- I believe the laws of war entitle us to ravage the country and that we must do this,
- either by destroying crops at harvest time, or all the time by making rapid incursions, known as raids,
- the aim of which is to carry off men and flocks.
For Tocqueville,
democracy was for the white man only. Just like in Bali only the Malay Hindu brahmin can become priest of the temple. I think this is very suitable reading for the Pakatan people.
Remember what I have said many times, if the Pakatan comes
to power, democracy will die in this country.
17 comments:
always wondered which caste the Malay Hindus belongs to...didn't know it was bhramins..
Aiyah Adi, the Hindus of Bali is a society by itself. Therefore it also has the various castes just like the Hindus in India. Doesn't mean brahmin means they were from India.
Unlike the Hindus in Malaysia who originated from India, the Hindus in Bali, Indonesia did not originate from India. In fact, they are local Malays who adopted the Hindu religion brought about by Hindu preachers a long time ago. Whilst the Hindu caste in Malaysia is basically a continuation of their forefather's caste in India.
"I'm what I'm!"-(Popeye). So said the spinners of the exalted leader and the chosen one himself. To err is divine, to bluff is normal and to be erect is macho.
The supreme Anu gerah Tuhan is finished. Historically facts, anything he led all finished i.e education, agriculture, umno, pkr etc. The last hurrah . . . Climax is this country. Thus vote him so we can assist Anu to finished the country.
in indonesia, u got malay muslim, malay hindus, malay christian..u also got bugis,javanese,meningkabau,..
Terrence Netto got b*tt f*cked by the Brader!
After all the warning, all the missteps, Terrence still fall for it. Netto should lay off the drink.
Alo Sayeed,
This anwar felo is actually a snake oil salesman. He can make fools out of Netto dan Tun ha!ha!
Thanks.
I have not paid much attention to this Alexis de Tocqueville guy who's often quoted by various opposition people but now it's clear that he is not different from today's western liberals and Neo-Conservatives who support the "spread of democracy" by invading small nations, bombing and killing their people. They are basically liberal imperialists.
Thanks once again.
Since when Balinese belong to the Malay race?
So why not let them come to Malaysia and become Moslems Malays and finally Bumiputras.
It's definitely better than taking Indians become Mamaks then Melayu and Bumiputera.
Taiwanese also claims to be Malays.
Yunnanese also claim to be original Malays.
How come only in Malaysia you are called a Malay if you are a Moslem?
Is race determined by religion, culture and politics or is it by DNA?
AI is an actor with no substance.All he builds are self images and the sickness is he actually believe in the mind generated images.Now he is building dream castle in putra jaya.
Poor guy he is planning to move into it!!!!!
Syed,
Can you please write on what the Quran says about littering?
I live in a Malay majority area, you can check my IP, and the sampah is just everywhere. Kesian the pakcik tukang sapu sampah.
I have personally seen small tudung wearing girls discarding the beg plastik minuman just like that after finishing the drink. It seems they* are highly conscious about religion but not enough about hygiene.
*They - not referring to all Malays, but just some of them who throws rubbish with no regard.
**And of course the other races throw rubbish too, just go to Jinjang or Brickfields, but in my case I live in a Malay majority area and want to know if there is a verse you can quote and paste up in the common area.
Btw, any ideas on the original religion of the Malays before Islam and Hindu?
How come Malays did not have their own religion but only adopted foreign ones?
Is it because of prestige and the promise of heaven?
anwar's brain is made up of 60% harddisk and 1% CPU, the other 39% is rust - too much KY jelly
Tuan Syed
For your information Malay is just one suku kaum in Indonesia. Only in Malaysia is Bugis pun Melayu, Banjar pun Melayu, Jawa pun Melayu, Minang pun Melayu, Benggali pun Melayu, Mamak pun Melayu.
In Indonesia orang Jawa is suku kaum jawa and orang Padang is sukukaum Minang . So where is suku kaum Melayu in Indonesia. Well they are in Medan and in Riau-Lingga. Orang Bali is definitely not Melayu biarpun kulit dan muncung hidup macam orang Melayu.
I stand corrected.
In Indonesia also got Malay Buddhists .....I think you can find plenty of them in the island of Java....remember Borobudur? Who built them? Guess lah ...
Aiyoyo Anon 10:24.
Oh....like dat wan ah..
So a brahmin in Bali can be a barua in in India...
So, which caste do you belong to ?
The Malay race in Malaysia is defined by the Constitution. Please respect and know our country's constitution if you are a Malaysian.
That is why if a Bangladeshi marries a Malay lady, their children is a Malay.
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