Lim Kit Siang is making a big issue about the Moros and Mindanaos being given citizenship in Sabah. Lim Kit Siang is born of immigrants as well. Now he is questioning why other immigrants are being given citizenship. Thats how it comes across.
Allow me to irritate our other immigrant citizenry : would it be too out of place to suggest that we have a Royal Commission of Inquiry to investigate why 1.0 million immigrants (mostly Chinese and Indians) were given citizenship in Malaya in the 1950s?
I mean surely there must be at least five million Malays on the Peninsula today who may be wondering why or how that particular incident happened? Were they consulted? Was there a public referendum?
Is this a fair request? Or its not fair? Lets not argue about the fairness. Lets have a RCI first on the issue - how and why 1.0 million Chinese and Indians (including my mamak gang of course) were given citizenship.
Anyway Another Brick In The Wall has an excellent write up about the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Sabah refugees and immigrants issue. You can read it here (it is a must read). Here are some interesting points.
- RCI Witnesses Credibility Questioned
- However, all the sources reported the witnesses and names mentioned; Kee Dzulkifly, Asli Sidup, Alcop Damsah @ Yakup Damsah, Nasit Sugip and their boss Ramli Kamaruddin were detained under the Internal Security Act.
- They were detained for their role in a syndicate to extort money from the approved immigrants before issuing them the blue ICs. This blogger also confirm to have met and heard those involved in this syndicate acknowledge they made money from the exercise.
- The government had planned and agreed to issue citizenship to the political refugees in accordance with the proper principle, conditions and procedures. Thus, the award of citizenship and issuance of IC is not an issue but it was these witnesses that were culprits in smearing the reputation of the exercise.
- In addition, Nasir Sungip is believed to be the brother to PAS state assemblyman for Selangor, Saari Sungip. That raised the possibility of partisan political motive and biasness in Nasir's statement at the RCI.
I say what? These guys were ISA detainees?
- all the sources reported the witnesses and names mentioned..were detained under the Internal Security Act
- for their role in a syndicate to extort money from the approved immigrants
Alamak - for their role in a syndicate to extort money from the approved immigrants. And it is the testimony of these people that Lim Kit Siang and gang are playing up on their Blogs.
I have a question - why cant you Pakatan nuts get more reliable and credible people to back up your stories? ISA detainees, convicted and jailed 'thrown out of UMNO' sodomists, adulterers and liars, PI Semua Boleh, carpet sellers and all kinds of creeps who will say anything to save their hide.
It is a fact that Muslims from Mindanao were fleeing the numerous and murderous christian vigilante groups (read a study by the University of Hawaii here) encouraged by a succession of Filipino leaders from Marcos to Corazon Aquino and beyond. These refugees fled to Sabah because Sabah is familiar territory for them. (This is exactly the same reason why the Phillipines has not given up their claim to Sabah - they say that all the Sabahan races are also Filipinos. )
Years after these refugees had settled down in Sabah, and were not going back, the Malaysian government decided to grant these people citizenship.
- The government had planned and agreed to issue citizenship to the political refugees in accordance with the proper principle, conditions and procedures.
- Thus, the award of citizenship and issuance of IC is not an issue
And if you want the citizenship that was given to the Moros to be taken back, then surely their relatives (who populate Semporna, Tawau and the eastern coast of Sabah) can ask that your citizenship be also revoked. And they have been here much, much longer than you.
So be careful what you wish for. It is not impossible that a Sabahan will become our Prime Minister some day.
40 comments:
History channel 555 (documentary) -this is the fact, the chinese were given citizenship by the rulers as an incentive to fight communism in the 50s, 60s, most of the communists at that time were chinese. The plan/advice was forwarded to rulers for approval by the British,it's a brilliant plan by the British, whereby chinese fought the communist chinese. Chinese and indians migrants were imported to this country by british for mining and rubber industry.
Anifah Aman for future PM?
mana ada cina lawan komunis. 1 atau 2 orang cina mungkin ada tapi bukan kebanyakan cina. cina dan india datang sebab orang putih yang bawak. patutnya lepas orang putih balik dia bawak balik semua cina dan india.
SAA, i think you need to go study your sejarah. the whole reason for granting the immigrants citizenship in the 1950s is well documented.
anon 11.46am
is an ingrate tongkang never learn history and will always invent one so full of deceit... where got apek fighting for the communi fist mah??? they were here first bcos they were hungry and dying in tongkang land. All they ever cared for was how to extort money from their own kind bullying and infighting among themselves. Samseng blood - uncouth and rude peasants forever. Macam mana speaking, ciplak nama mat saleh, pakai LV pon tetap ada tongkang dlm darah . Macam ni pon ada melayu keparat bole jatuh cinta buat bini!!
One was legally done in the open, the other in highly questionable way.
Yu cannot see the difference, or is it one of your spinning job?
It's very obvious la, Syed
wonder what reasons , sabah and sarawak joined the federation of malaysia.
Bigg's plan -mass relocation of ppl(to new villages) to contain n fight insurgency.
siapa lawan komunis? British, melayu??
that's why we are asking, how on earth all the chinese and indian immigrants were given citizenship in the 50's? logically, they should have sent them all back to china and india. i support any effort for RCI on this issue..
"And if you want the citizenship that was given to the Moros to be taken back, then surely their relatives (who populate Semporna, Tawau and the eastern coast of Sabah) can ask that your citizenship be also revoked. And they have been here much, much longer than you"
Good one Syed!
Personally I think the ability to speak fluent Bahasa Malaysia should be made one of the main criteria for citizenship. I'm sure a lot of 1950s former immigrants and their anak cucu will fail ;p
yalah pendatang ni tak kenal untung, bagi muka nak duk kepala
Good idea! Perhaps a DNA test to see if their pigmentation is suited to tropically hot Malaysia.
Hei Anon Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:32:00 PM
Kalau ada telor hantar semua Cina dan India balik sekarang jugak.
Oh.. Cina dan India pula yang kena.
Tolong jawab, bagaimana tuan sendiri dapat taraf bumiputra sedangkan keturunan tuan itu adalah mamak?
To all the tongkang haters out there - read the China book by Martin Jacques. Go to the part where Raja Tengah (or Sultan Muhammad Shah after conversion to Islam) was stuck in China while paying tribute to the chief tongkang. I can't wait for the day you bunch fall over yourselves to promote this country for its tongkang heritage when China's the new hegemon. Don't get me wrong, I'm just as worried about the future but at least a part of thinks being called "tongkang" won't be so bad in 10 years' time.
The chinese and indian pendatangs must be made aware of their history here. With the vernacular schools how do you suppose there can be any loyalty when you live, breathe and eat in Chinese and Tamil every single day and cant even speak the Bahasa fluently??? You cant even differetiate between a PATI and these so called Msians today! No where else on this planet will any country allow for this. Why are the Malays so condescending to the point of stupidity??
Anon 5:32
While we're on the subject of fluency, I believe your use of "condescending" in your comment is out of context. Pot calling the kettle... ha ha
Sayed,
I agreed with you There should be RCI on how 1 millions Chinese and Indian was granted citizenship in the 50s ,were the Malay was consulted then or the British just lay them off hear,after making used of them probably taking them back is not worth the efforts.
All of sudden Malaysia became multinational ,multicultural and multireligion .
Just see at whats the problem Malaysia is facing now ,if Brunei never take the Chinese and Indian pendatang as their citizen why Malaysia did the otherwise .
anon 5:40;
i'd say his phrase "condescending to the point of stupidity" is more ironic than out of context.
also i would correct the word 'Malays' in the last sentence with 'umno fanboys'
interestingly, bawani who speaks proper bahasa is asked to go back to india by supporters of sharifah zohra, while sharifah's pasar rojak bm is overlooked...
Cina masuk Malaya mintak SKJT (Cina), India mintak SKJT (T), Melayu, Iban, Kadazan, Murut, Dayak, pergi Sekolah Kebangsaan je.
Yes, u can count on my vote tn syed.
RCI RCI RCI on this immigrants!!
So much anti Chinese talk here and yet our Gomen goes to China and ask them to invest here? What nuts.
I think the orang asli of Malaya should ask for RCI why Malays can be pendatang with more privilege than them.
Be prepared to get stung if you throw stones at a bee hive. Sudah dapat citizenship jangan tunjuk besar kepala. A malaysian chinese will never get Chinese citizenship no matter how much begging is done.
What anti chinese? What about anti malay?
The chinese here and the people' s republic of china are 2 different entities i bet the prc would never want them back at any cost
So much talk about Sabah now, I never been there, absolutely have no idea what the state looks like.
I heard the Philippines still want Sabah. They wanted Sabah so much they allegedly mounted an operation to train and send saboteurs just like what Indonesia did in those Ganyang Malaysia days. Unfortunately, the people they trained had relatives in Sabah and somehow this resulted in those people trained to be executed instead. This so called operation sparked the Mindanao rebellion.
Mentioning Indonesia, it always makes me laugh that they still are sore over Sipadan aLigitan when they did nothing when Abu Sayyaf people raided Sipadan.
Mamak pun pergi Sejolah Kebangsaan. What's the fuss? Same as Orang Asli. We identify ourselves as Malaysians.
If the Chinese and the Indians were not granted the citizenship, Malaya will not gain Merdeka, that was the prerequisite condition that the British layout. Check your sejarah first. What a pity, after 55 years of so called independence, we are still talking about Citizenship claim. For those who hantam the Chinese and the Indians, you possibly do not have them as friends. Must be from all Malay school and going through the gomen sponsored education system (ITM or Mara kind). I have many Malay friends and colleagues, and they are beautiful people.
To put the fact straight, the world been around for many millions of years and the land does not belong to anyone. Once you are dead, all issues are closed, it does not exist. So, will you are alive, live and enjoy whatever GOD has stored for us.
Anon 10:04 are you stupid, hypocrite or both? Then why the f**k is Lim Kit Siang questioning the citizenship given to the refugees in Sabah? Were you indoctrinated in the SJK(C) at the New Villages as well?
Semua masalah di kebanyakan pelusuk dunia can be traced to colonial powers, whether they were British, Americans, French, Dutch etc. They went around the world, claiming foreign lands for themselves and divide the land amongst themselves. Once they have drained the land from all its richness, or they have to fight a war with the local population, they would leave. But before that, they will create havouc and problems for the local inhabitants. In almost ALL situations, problems still persist even after the white man have left their mark behind.
So, what to do? The RCI is for the Sabah immigrants who were given citizenship by the government of the day. Was it wrong? To them the Sabah immigrants, they have families in Sabah, they saw Sabah and southern Philippines as their home, they share the same culture and language as other Sabahans, even the same religion. And yet, they were not seen as Malaysian as they were born in the wrong part of the divide created by foreign powers. Same goes for Southern Thailand. Should we have an RCI to see whether they were given citizenship as well?
What i find surprising is the absolute hatred and animosity that the descendants of immigrants that came from far away land, who refuse to share the local culture and language of this land and yet were given free citizenship, have towards those that are around here who are given citizenship. They may give the excuse that it was given not in accordance with the law, or that it was given so that UMNO/BN could win elections etc. But who are they kidding?
My questions is, if those in Sabah that we given citizenship under this exercise were of Chinese or Indian descent, or if they were Christians or follow any other religion besides Islam, would there be this much noise? Would there even be an RCI? What if a terrible calamity befalls Singapore, and Singaporean were given citizenship, would Lim Kit Siang make as much noise?
Just my humble opinion as I believe behind everyone that is making the most noise right now, there's a little of Patrick Teoh in them...
Ps/- Why is Anwar so quiet? The RCI is just at the beginning. Will there be more expose that might incriminate him as well?
Syed:
This time you have outdone yourself and managed to get yourself covered in stupidity.
You want an RCI on the 1950s citizenship deal brokered by the British, Malay rulers, Tunku and other community leaders ? How many witnesses will there be ? Yeah, call for bomohs to resurrect the dead and you can have your RCI.
Godfather
Anon 10:17:00 AM
Are you dumb or what ? You give citizenship to the needy, to those who can contribute to society. Citizenship in Sabah was given for one purpose only - and that is to vote BN and ensure BN rule. That's treason and against the law. Do you understand what "illegal" means ?
11:51 are you a racist pig or what. So what skills did your rubber tapper grandpa and grandma or your tin mining grandpa and grandma or your massage parlour or opium den granma and grandpa have when they were granted citizenship in this country? The Filipinos in Sabah have more skills than your rubber tapper, tin mine coolie and massage parlour grandma ok. Dont be a bloody racist cibai.
aya!! only orang ahli has the 'locus standi' on this matter, the rest balik to their motherland...be it china, indonesia, india.....
@Nadine, not really true that they are 2 different entities. I think what we have observed is that the Chinese here have the same mentality as the Chinese in PRC, Singapore etc. Don't let the PRC deceive you. Just like the Vietnamese - if you are an ethnic Vietnamese, even if you live in the US, the Vietnamese Government regards you as one of them - kind of difficult to rationalize this I know.
Why do you think the Chinese culture is so strong overseas even though the ethnic Chinese in other countries e.g Thailand, Malaysia etc are citizens of these countries? That is why they call it the Chinese diaspora. PRC will not take its people back because the PRC wants them to spread their influence throughout the world. Behind the scenes though PRC companies and their representatives are slowly buying up properties/businesses etc in other countries & we non-PRC folk even you & I (I am not Chinese btw) end up working for them. That is how they are gonna end up colonizing all of us.
Wikipedia may not be the best of resources, but there is clear explanation here on the why and how of the formation of Malaysia and the issue of the granting of citizenship not only to the Chinese, Indians but also others e.g Eurasians etc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Malaya
Instead of calling each other names and all the race bashing that seems to be going on in blogsphere today, why not read the real story behind the granting of the citizenships previously.
Interesting to note though that based on the article there were actually some 2 million Chinese, 566 thousand Indians and 75 thousand Others in the Federation of Malaya in 1951 and not just 1 million that I see quoted all over the place. Also interesting to note is that a requirement for becoming a citizen was being fluent in either English or Malay.
I don't know what has happened nowadays but there seems to be so much hatred by the different races for each other. I'm not sure if this is because a lot of trolls are just agitating the situation due to the coming elections. Let's be honest, unless one lives in a cave one will tend to have friends or acquaintances of different races. I have the pleasure of mixing with people of different ethnicity and none of my friends etc have displayed the extreme caricature behavior that you folk advocate to the Malays or Chinese or Indians or Others. Maybe I'm just lucky.
Orang asli has assimilated and becomes Malay, you don't see orang asli becomes Chinese/Indian. Thus, RCI from orang asli is mute, because if they do that, is like asking why you married with Malay.
The Chinese say the other one is legal, based on who's law? Your law? British law? Do they ask Malay for it? Is there a referendum? If a law is injustice and without regard to local population, it illegal. The reason the Tunku gives citizenship for Chinese/Indian is just to maintain power and politics, last time you love UMNO because they give you citizenship and now you hate them? Don't you ask the feeling of Malays at that time?
You think its all good and nice at time? Haven't you consider the work of Malay left at that time? They are more willing to gain independence with the Indonesian than giving you citizenship. You should be thankful that the Malays want to be Independence according to British's ways, instead of Indonesian ways. And do you know that this merger with Indonesian was used by MCA to "scared off" the Chinese at that time just like MCA "scared off" Chinese today with Hudud?
Chinese should be more open heart with new citizens just like the Malays did last time instead of being such a kiasu, now we hate you more.
Kalau benci sangat kat Cina, jaganlah pergi China mintak beli kelapa sawit, gunalah kepala otak untuk fikir. Zaman sudah lain, negara Amerika pun ada krisis ekonomi sekarang. Orang sudah besar tinggi,bila hadapi masalah buat benda yang patut dibuat dan bukan suka dibuat. Suka dibuat itu adalah untuk kanak kanak.
Cukai yang paling banyak diberi kaum Cina di Malaysia.
if anon anon 11:25:00 AM, 20/1/13
said "
Cukai yang paling banyak diberi kaum Cina di Malaysia"
then why did the Sin Chew article (http://brulittlechina.blogspot.com/2013/01/kecewa-dengan-janji-janji-kosong.html) said "...perbetulkan isu nasib kedudukan dan ekonomi kaum Cina" ?
Pls elaborate
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