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Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Updated : Losing Hearts And Minds In London

  • Muslim ‘modesty patrol’ stalking streets of London 
  • Destruction of advertising by "Muslim patrol." 
  • LONDON – Borough officials, community leaders and police condemned a group of self-proclaimed vigilantes who took it upon themselves to patrol the streets of London confronting people they deemed as indulging in “non-Muslim” behavior.
  • Earlier this month, a group who had claimed an area in East London was a “Muslim area” had told people that alcohol was banned, or that they were dressed inappropriately.
  • The group, who dubbed itself a “Muslim patrol,” filmed the incidents and posted the footage on YouTube.
  • In one video, which was first published last week by the UK news portal The Commentator, the group could be seen destroying advertisements for H&M lingerie on bus shelters in the Whitechapel area of London.
  • Another video shows the group harassing members of the public for consuming alcohol. In one incident, a member of the public is told to dispose of a can of beer he is drinking.
  • In yet another video, which begins with a logo stating that “Islam will dominate the world,” followed by a homophobic graphic, the group can be seen shouting at a man.
  • One member of the “patrol” shouts: “Hello mate, don’t you know this is a Muslim area?” He asks the man why he is dressed “like that” while another shouts “Homosexual! Homosexual.”
  • When the man, who appears clearly distressed in the video, asks why they are bothering him, the group hurls abuse at him.
  • “Because you’re walking through a Muslim area dressed like a fag. You need to get out of here.”  “You’re gay mate, get out of here you bloody fag. Don’t stay around here anymore.”
  • The self-styled group also stops people for dressing “inappropriately”
  • One young woman confronted by the group said she was appalled by their actions.  “This is Great Britain,” she said, to which the patrol can be heard saying, “We don’t care. It’s not so Great Britain, you understand? Vigilantes are implementing Islam.”
  • The London Metropolitan Police said that they are treating the incidents with “appropriate gravity,” adding that they are aware of the incidents and are increasing police patrols in the area.
  • A London Muslim Center spokesman said, “We wholly condemn their behavior.  They are not welcome in our community. We deplore the actions of a small minority who sow discord within our communities. It has no place in our faith, neither in its teachings nor practices.”
My comments : If they dont like the situation in the UK, why not just go back to whichever countries they came from? 

What does the Quran say :


[2:134] Such is a community from the past. They are responsible for what they earned, and you are responsible for what you earned. You are not answerable for anything they have done.

[2:141] That was a community from the past. They are responsible for what they earned, and you are responsible for what you earned. You are not answerable for anything they did.

In other words jangan sibuk-sibuk nak jaga tepi kain orang.  This is part of the amar ma'aruf and nahi munkar. Not poking your nose into other peoples' affairs is an amar ma'aruf or enjoining the good. Poking your nose into other peoples affairs is a munkar or that which is not good. So learn to mind your own business. 

Here is another verse from the Quran :

[22:67] For each community, we have decreed a set of rites (manasikh) that they uphold. Therefore, they should not dispute with you. You shall continue to invite everyone to your Lord. Most assuredly, you are on the right path.

Each community has their rites. The word manasikh does not refer to religion. It refers the specific things that a people may do.  Eating styles, dietary habits, clothing styles, hair styles, festivals, celebrations are all part and parcel of a community. Only morons will force their cultures or traditions on other people. Jangan jadi bodoh. 

[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in the way of life (deen): the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in Allah has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. Allah is Hearer, Omniscient.

It is a ma'aruf (that which is good) not to force your "religious" views and beliefs on others. If you force your "religious" beliefs on others then that becomes a munkar (that which is not good).

These fools in London are behaving stupid because they do not read and understand the Quran.  They are jahil or ignorant.  

38 comments:

Anonymous said...


many years ago,when i studied in US, i learned the blacks were no 1 victim of hate crime, Jews came second. Now muslims take the top spot.AS i said before, muslims hv trouble intergrating into the society,they demand sharia, demand separate swimming pool for women,impose their own 'rules' on others..Yip!!better go back to their motherlands.

Anonymous said...

because....they have many wives and they claim the single mother welfare? Quite lucrative apparently

Anonymous said...

mental case.....they have to adhere to their strict religious way of life and yet want to live in a liberal society...feeling guilty and yet cannot let go..When ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand, thinking yours is the only one true path. Start breeding , get big and bully your host... parasites!!

Rempahman said...

As you have mentioned many times..seluaq dalam pon tak tau nak buat sendiri...and menumpang di negeri orang yet ada hati nak tubjuk besaq kepala..
Ermmmmmm....sounds fimiliar...!!

Anonymous said...


aya! dont go far, in this country, we aso got our 'moral' vigilantes.

question- is islam, all about peeking into other ppl 's life or looking for sins of other ppl??? why so busybody?

Anonymous said...

GB and western countries - thats what you get for letting in the horny fascist imams to preach in the mosques there. they have brainwashed the following generations of british born Muslims into idiocy. Haha...the Muslims are so proud they are *british-born*or American born etc. Show got style one - not like their middle eastern bro. but the motherf**kers there are just a case of a lost generation who cannot integrate into the society and some more want to impose their way of life. Go to hell. Send them back to where their parents came from.Free Europe of these scumbags!

Anonymous said...

Ada orang jealous lihat orang lain enjoying life......

Anonymous said...

"It is a ma'aruf (that which is good) not to force your "religious" views and beliefs on others. If you force your "religious" beliefs on others then that becomes a munkar (that which is not good)"

Ironically, the Muslims in Malaysia at least think the other way round. If they did not impose their religious values on you.. they are not doing "nahi munkar"..

And yet, bila nampak budak menyeksa kuching/anjing.. diam pulak! Nampak orang buang sampah merata-rata.. diam pulak! Nampak bini kena tampar dengan laki.. diam pulak! Ish.. awak ni.. jangan jaga tepi kain orang!

Society gone mad!

Anonymous said...


my australian fren told me this- some muslims in perth complained about the festive christmas celebration in shopping malls,(reason of complaint) - they should tone down to show REspect to muslims... question- do they(muslims) show respect to other ppl cultural belief????Now the aussi r wary of muslim immigrants.

Anonymous said...

Jusy like here. We have immigrants who brought their religion and culture. Allowed. Fine. But now they want to tear apart the religion of those who gave them citizenship. They really should be sent back to where their grandads came from.

Doomed said...

Anon 3.03

I just got an EUREKA moment. Why don't we swap the tongsan cinapek in Malaysia for these British (insert pommie accent here) born jihadis ? The Brits, jihadis, tongsan and the Malaysian Govt will ALL be happy !!! Somebody nominate me for a Nobel Peace Prize now !

Anonymous said...

Muslims across the globe seem to be facing "Cognitive Dissonance". The bonding between muslims majority countries is fragile. The palestines have been struggling for years..the Rohingga in Myanmar for alomost 30 years..the OIC has been in existence for almost 50 years ..but nothing much has been accomplished. Back home, we encounter intense polarization among muslims...among the politicians, the ulama/oztaz, the young generations..These young generations have exhibit unislamic behaviours to the keaders, the scholarly ulama, even towards the Sultans. They even use bombastic terminology to label or describe them ..illustrating the lack of respect.. We manage to come with strategic planning for country development however we have yet to generate the strategic planningfor Pembangunan Ummah. RD5

Anonymous said...

Hello anon 3.03, why u sebok free europe and all that. U european or just one ripe banana? Actually this is payback time for the coloniser whose empire the sun used to never set one....padan muka is all I would say. U used to think u r BIG! U exploited all n sundry. Now theres all kinds in ur backyard.....n all u have is one big headache....hahaha!

Anonymous said...

Please ponder these 5 verses from the Quran;

5:60 Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."

7:40 Indeed, those who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them - the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Paradise until a camel enters into the eye of a needle. And thus do We recompense the criminals.

7:166 So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised."

7:176 And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought.

62:5 The example of those who were entrusted with the Torah and then did not take it on is like that of a donkey who carries volumes [of books]. Wretched is the example of the people who deny the signs of Allah . And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

Han2 said...

Sounds like BADAR not long ago in Selangor. Menyusahkan orang ja.

Anonymous said...

5:19pm, that is a stupid comment. what about the time when the sun never set on the muslim e mpire? Andalusia, Spain, Tours in France, the conquest of Austria, Yugoslavia, Chechnya? maybe thats why the West colonised the Arab countries? Payback. Looks like the Muslims should have just stayed at home.

Anonymous said...

Here's another stupid one. This time by the Saudis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1874471.stm

Anonymous said...

Since the UK wants quality immigrantsmso much, lets swap the chinapek with the muslim patrol who can work in PAS states. The cinapek will be grateful being forced to speak cockney and have their 5000 year old culture dumbed doen to Topshop underwear ,fish n chips and banned from writing hangzhi at schools and have their women dumbed down to be solicited for sex by white men.

The hindus and chinede are no different from the vigilantes, the chinese educationists and evengalists harass their community to conform their verson of cultural superiority and not integrating or socializing with the mainstream Malays who will grow from 15 million to 20 million before 2030 while yhe chinese are lucky be 6 million at all by then.The Hindus aremworse, they bring their caste system and claim temple lands just because they build their shrine otpr tie a holy ribbon around a tree anywhere they want, and hey blame the malays for their predicament while their rich refuse to helpmthem once their caste are uograded thanx to money.

Anonymous said...

anon 5.19 pm - is another arrogant idiot speaking thru his othe end bcos he only read comic books and cerita2 hantu..typical. Long before the whites the Arabs were already trading slaves in Africa ... yeah, cant wait for the payback time from there too :)

Anonymous said...

cannot shed their family habits from the motherland- dirty, love to spit all over the place, never learn to line up and wait for their turn and talk loud in their freakin ugly language in pub, their women are rough and feisty ( wonder what happened to the sopan santun as the followers of the religion liked to brag about???) ....sounds like dejavu here.

Anonymous said...

Susah kalo org mati2 pecaya dia lah tuan punya kebenaran di dunia ni. Hanya dia lah yg betul.Lepas tu nak paksa org pikir macam dia. Dah bodoh merbahaya pulak tu menyusahkan org lain.

Anonymous said...

RE: Anon Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:23:00 PM

The Chinese & Indians are doing fine wherever they are. They dominate silicon valley, look at the number of chinese & indians in the top VC companies there. Dig into any technology company and you will find them there.

Sure you can ask all the Indians & chinese to leave malaysia & they will still do fine.

Where are your kind of people going to go? Get off your high horse, Mahathir himself said 80% of the income tax is paid by non malays.

its 2013. cut the racist crap. the reality is a globalised world with extreme competition.

in a nutshell, 7 million jews in Israel generate more patents, products & research than 1.7billion muslims. Why?

a religion is nothing more than a set of rituals wrapped up around a belief. till this meaningless rituals are discarded and people are allowed the liberty of personal belief, this ridiculous behavior will go on.

value education. value personal liberty. value diversity. have the courage to learn & compete. that is why the rest of the world is doing fine & you are irrelevant.

Anonymous said...

hahaha, they behave just like Pemuda PAS but with a Cockney accent!

Anonymous said...

funny thing is, they all claimed they are 'true' muslims, if they have studied and understand the surahs in the koran, they will not behave like that, the fact is, most dont read and are ignorant. Al kafirun (line 6) say'you have yr religion, i have mine'

btw, they give all kind of excuses like..show respect,sexy dresses like cheong-sam,exposed armpit, MTv,pluralism, advertisement of non-tudung models..bla,bla ..weaken their aqidah

Anonymous said...


this is an irony, they all curse infidel countries but they love to migrate there, why dont they migrate to islamic countries like saudi, pakistan , somalia??..even the afghanistan, iraqis refugees seeking asylum by- pass malaysia, indonesia enroute to australia.

these are the cancer of the society, the cause is 'holier than thou' mentality and judgemental attitude of 'righteousness- who right , who's wrong'

Anonymous said...

These ingrates should be sent back to their countries of origin. These are the SOBs who make Islam looks bad in the eyes of others. These are the people who jeopardize other Muslims' chances of emigrating to the West to start a new life. These are the so-called Muslims who have nothing better to do.

But serves the Brits right for all their individual rights craps!

Anonymous said...

anon 10:10

so what are you waiting for? take the next flight out. the malays wont be eating maggots just because you are not here to pay taxes. you know how to get to KLIA?

Anonymous said...

Misconception: MARTYRS WILL RECEIVE 72 VIRGINS IN PARADISE

This teaching is nowhere to be found in The Quran. It is a tradition associated with the reported sayings of Prophet Muhammad, as recorded by others.

Some cite 44:54, 52:20, 55:72, 56:22 as evidence for virgins in paradise for men only, however the Arabic word "huri" in these verses can be the plural of both "awhar" (masculine) and "hawra" (feminine), but even if it is taken as female, the word itself would mean "companions pure/fair, most beautiful of eye".

There is also 37:48 (companions of modest gaze) and 78:33 (splendid companions, well-matched).

Anonymous said...

Silicon Valley? But they left their parents back in old folks home. Typical of your race, isnt it? Never patriotic. Never grateful. They say if a chinese can make money selling his mother than he will sell his mother.

'still do fine'. Not you and the few million enjoying life here. You are no good anywhere else. Otherwise you would have left. But you are here pig headed and big headed. In whose country?

Anonymous said...

If these people claim that they are the true Muslims and that what they do is correct, then surely they MUST be true Muslims. Because doesn't everybody else also claim that what they pray to and the way they worship is the ONLY true one and all others are false?

Anonymous said...

Misconception: ALLAH IS FOR MUSLIMS

Say: "O people of the Scripture, let us come to a common understanding between us and between you; that we do not serve except Allah, and do not set up anything at all with Him, and that none of us takes each other as patrons beside Allah." If they turn away, then say: "Bear witness that we have submitted." [3:64]

What this verse also means is that you simply cannot say that Jesus is Allah, Brahman is Allah, Jehovah is Allah, Buddha is Allah. Only Allah is Allah. Jesus is Jesus, Brahma is Brahma, Jehovah is Jehovah.

Anonymous said...

Anons 6.04 n 10.34, why u idiots get so upset when I said payback time for the white trash who used to colonise almost everybody. You staying in london or u wish they'd be back to recolonise u again? U enjoyed getting their long, huge -icks up ur backside again? the muslim colonisers already had their payback times. Whoever colonise others will get their payback times. The US of A will soon get theirs when they went bankrupt in all fronts, not just financially. Now, calm down. Don't get upset unless u really pining for them to be all over u again...hahaha!

Doomed said...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/22/muslim-patrol-london-police-arrests - they just arrested the dynamic duo. No discourse about religion, color or even "WTF are you doing in this country - go back to where your grandparents came from" bullshit. The Brits are mature enough to treat it for what it is - a hate crime committed by some misguided individuals. The question is - are we Malaysians ready to do the same ? Looking at the responses in this blog about what happened 15,000km away, we won't survive as a country

Anonymous said...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/sharia-in-action-in-the-uk-muslims-target-gay-man-for-being-in-muslim-area.html

I believe this is the video.

Only serves to instill fear in non-Muslims.

Anonymous said...


this blog is very educational, i learn all these relevant surahs in one reading ..than many study sessions from religious scholars.

FYI, the Jews and muslims share very similar ' rituals' in their belief practise, the only difference is, Jews dont impose their ' value' on others, Jews dont even preach judaism to others.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:33

But they are the biggest racist. Non jews cannot be citizens of Israel.So there is no one to preach to .Just like China. No new citizens. Not even of chinese origin.

Anonymous said...

Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:37:00 PM

u can honey/sugar coat it all you want but still sound like a bad deal -the muslim men have their many wives or companions ( ok lah just to gaze in their eyes lah...wink..wink) in this world and in the hereafter while their womenfolk only get these whatever wide-eyed( must be a middle eastern- male fetish) in the hereafter??

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:38:00 PM

hang pon suka main *pay-back* yeah.