There has been considerable talk in the Malay press and Malay blogs about Mat Sabu the deputy president of PAS being a Shiah. (You can Yahoo or Google 'Mat Sabu Syiah' and read the numerous websites). Prior to that there has always been talk that PAS has long been 'infiltrated' by many Malay Syiahs.
Recently some Bloggers met with CN Afghani (Cikgu Non), the former life member of PAS who was kicked out by the party when he made a Police Report against them for malpractises in the usage of millions of Ringgits of donations collected for the Tabung Memali.
CN Afghani was also the PAS guy who planned to assassinate Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamed in 1988. You can read my recent Blog : The Assasination Attempt Against Dr Mahathir Mohamed. Afghani also spoke about the Shiah influence in PAS. According to him PAS is strongly influenced by Shiah especially PAS in Johor, Melaka and Negeri Sembilan. He also said that Mat Sabu showed strong Shiah tendencies.
Last year (2012) Mat Sabu caused some uproar among PAS members (particularly the Haji Hadi faction) when he visited Syria's Bashar Assad regime as a show of support. Mat Sabu's visit was televised on Syrian Television where Mat Sabu condemned the Saudi Arabian government for not allowing Syrian pilgrims to visit Mecca. Here is the Syrian TV news showing Mat Sabu in Syria :
Here are some stills from Mat Sabu's visit to Syria. The guy accompanying Mat Sabu on this trip is the Pesuruhjaya PAS Negeri Melaka. Birds of a feather do flock together.
Mat Sabu's visit to Syria has not gone unnoticed. Some say that the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan Muslimin) the anti-Shia fanatics who now control Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Gaza and are fighting Bashar Assad in Syria have sent a delegation to meet Hadi Awang of PAS to protest Mat Sabu's visit to Syria. Here is a report :
"Kes Mat Sabu Sokong Rejim Assad Syria – Ikhwanul Muslimin Beri Ultimatum Kepada Hadi November 8, 2012
Dek kerana keangkuhan Mat Sabu mencabar sensitiviti umat Islam terutama para pejuang yang menentang rejim Bashar Assad dengan melakukan kunjungan hormat berjumpa dengan menteri kanan pemerintahan kuku besi Damsyik, Ikhwanul Muslimin telah memberi kata putus kepada PAS.
Dalam satu pertemuan khas baru-baru ini, wakil Ikwanul Muslimin Syria datang khas ke Tanah Air kita untuk bertemu dengan Presiden PAS, Haji Hadi Awang. Kedatangan mereka adalah semata-mata untuk menegur serta memberi ultimatum kepada pimpinan PAS agar menjaga sensitiviti mereka, para pejuang di Syria dan seluruh umat Islam. Ultimatum ini diberi setelah tersebarnya rakaman video siaran TV Syria berhubung kunjungan hormat Mat Sabu tersebut.
Ultimatumnya bernada keras sekali. Jika PAS tidak sensitif dengan perjuangan Ikhwanul Muslimin Syria dan terus memberi sokongan moral kepada rejim Assad, maka pertemuan itu adalah yang terakhir dan hubungan Ikhwan dengan PAS akan diputuskan."
There is also an interview with Harakah (the PAS party organ) asking Mat Sabu about his Shiah leanings. Mat Sabu gives a slippery reply which only seems to confirm that he is a Shiah.
In his twisting answer Mat Sabu refers to seven 'Shiah' leaders, countries and organisations whom he admires. I have highlighted them in red. Here is that question and answer from Harakah (taken from here).
7. Di samping sokongan dan harapan tinggi ahli parti dan rakyat terhadap saudara, terdapat juga suara-suara sumbang yang mengaitkan saudara dengan mazhab Syiah
- Saya kebetulan membesar dalam perjuangan - 1979 berlaku revolusi Islam Iran. Perkembangan dan kebangkitan di sana menjadi tumpuan ramai.
- Kemudian kemunculan ..Hizbullah, yang juga dipimpin seorang ulama yang memakai serban.
- Kita ambil contoh Imam Khomeini. ulama yang ..boleh buat revolusi.
- Bagaimana Khomeini berjaya meletakkan semua golongan dibawahnya.
- Begitu juga dengan Hizbullah - satu badan yang begitu disiplin
- golongan kristian dan sekular lain berada di bawah naungan Hizbullah.
- Kita ambil contoh macam Hassan Nasrullah.
- Saya minat pandangan Dr Kalim Siddiqui
- Saya mengingati juga Dr Ali Shariati tanpa mengetahui apa mazhab dia.
- Di sini pula muncul Jamaluddin Afghani yang memberi nafas baru kepada orang Islam
- Inilah sikap saya dalam hal merujuk kepada pejuang-pejuang, yang tidak langsung melihatnya dari sudut latar belakang mazhab mereka.
Folks, Iran, Hizbullah, Imam Khomeini, Hassan Nasrullah, Dr Kalim Sidiqui, Dr Ali Shariati and Jamaluddin Afghani were/are Shiah or pro-Shiah.
Mat Sabu says he does not know the mazhab of Dr Ali Shariati. This is a joke. Everyone knows Dr Ali Shariati was the Shiah idealogue behind the Iranian Revolution of 1979.
Kalim Siddiqui (of Indian origins) is said to have publicly declared his support for the Iranian Revolution of 1979, and was later a defender of Ayatullah Khomeini's fatwa against Salman Rushdie.
Mat Sabu says these are his pejuang-pejuang - "Inilah sikap saya dalam hal merujuk kepada pejuang-pejuang.."
Ok Mat ini semua pejuang hero hang. Tapi pasai apa hang pi pilih ramai sekali pejuang syiah non?
What does this all mean? The Shiahs in Malaysia are persecuted and prosecuted by the various Mahkamah Syariah. I think this is a totally stupid thing to do. This is evidence enough that even in the 21st century our religious thinking is still inside the Stone Age of the semi-civilised cave man. You dont talk like me, you dont think like me, you dont worship like me then I will throw you in jail.
Facing this type of religious persecution the Shiahs have become quite clever (and sneaky). They are infiltrating PAS. And now Mat Sabu has become deputy president. If Hadi retires and Sabu becomes president, we can have a pro-Shiah Prime Minister in Malaysia. Better watch out.
My view is there may also be Shiahs in UMNO. However the Shiah influence in PAS appears to be stronger, more in number and better organised. I am certain that the Shiahs in PAS must have links to the Iranians as well.
My view is there may also be Shiahs in UMNO. However the Shiah influence in PAS appears to be stronger, more in number and better organised. I am certain that the Shiahs in PAS must have links to the Iranians as well.
It is possible that there will someday be splits in PAS because the majority of PAS is still Sunni. The Ikhwan Muslimin (Muslim Brotherhood) which is causing so much chaos in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Gaza, Sudan and elsewhere does have its strong supporters inside PAS. Haji Hadi is said to be a blue eyed boy of the Ikhwan Muslimin.
It is very likely that the growing fight between the Ikhwan Muslimin and the Shiah in the Middle East will have its spill over effects in the PAS as well. I will not be surprised at all. It is bound to happen. They will fight over 'my imaginary pet unicorn is better than your pet imaginary unicorn'.
33 comments:
Is this the same Mat Sabu who was caught in a hotel room with a married woman? What were they doing? Certainly not talking about religion.
It is really not worth writing about this guy. Just a waste of time. Write about some one else lah!
If the " sunni " version of Islam is just plain corrupted and damning , the " syiah " version of Islam is 100 times fu*ked up than the " sunnis' " !
BTW , " sunni " is a dirty word in a language ...
I met one CEO of state GLC, he was a banker before. He told me Mat Sabu borrowed money from his bank, not really much about rm 3000, to start stationery business. He didn't pays his loan, even only 3k. He mentioned this when we jokingly put Mat Sabu name as PM if oppo wins, and hadi doesn't contest. The CEO says tht how can a person who refused to pays 3k loan can be PM? He simply irresponsible. So anon 12:31 was right, it is really not worth writing about this guy. Some how, PAS can elects him as Timbalan Presiden.
Tuan Syed,
Johor is the resource centre for the Shiah Malaysia movement and many printed material on Shiahism originates from here.
While the government may not want to admit, there is a growing Shiah converts in Malaysia. Any suprise that Masjid al-Qurtubi ini Segambut, Kuala Lumpur organised a talk recently titled "Bahaya Shiah".
One friend of mine who is a Shiah follower said that one attraction to Shiahism is the "kahwin misyar", which is attractive proposition to many who can marry someone even for a few hours.
My friend who is so wrapped up in Shiahism says that as a Shite, hecannot now name his children with any names from Prophet Muhammad side of family and the name Aisha is forbidden because it is alleged that Aisha is a complicit to the death of Prophet Muhammad.
Maybe you wish to write something about this aspect.
Tn Syed,
Our real concern should be on the horrendous happenings in Syria right now. Muslims are killing Muslims, fueled by 'petrodollars'. Muslim countries are conniving and supplying weapons to fuel the killing.
I received on-the-ground news from a private forum as it comes. It is hell there right now. The Zionists and their stoog(es) are now laughing at this. Using Muslims to change a regime by killing other fellow Muslims.
They opt for Syiah to get the pas's for contract marriage. It all about SEX. Another worth to talk is Ahmadiah sect who practice Islam but not recognised as Islam due to the contractdional figura Ahmad Qadiani who for a reason declare he is jesus and mahdi. May be he just declare is as a frustration to the muslim world at that time who still thinking and wishing for the return of Jesus and Mahdi as their saviour. It may just be a gesture like , OK I am Mahdi and Jesus, so now let stop hopping and get to work. Anyway Quran have no mentioned of the return of Jesus neither Mahdi. However Ahmadiah seems to be practice true islamic teaching in terms of economy and education, correct me if I am wrong. There are many Mahzab in Islam, Shiah is of them, Ahmadiah is also one of them. Why do we hate Syiah. Is it because they pray 5 time in three differents time zone or their contract marriage or they acknowledge Ali as a wali allah and it part of their Azan? In today world there's no progress in ilmu. As your article on Ilya ullumudin. To be realistic, will it worth to read those 10 jilid of book of hundreds of pages compared to the Quran?. Looking at thr world today Iran Syria, Mesir etc plus Malaysia , as a muslim it getting bored and frustrated , maybe Mahdi and Jesus should come down now to correct and lead the muslim, however dont hope for it as none is quote in the Quran. Only if the leaders of the muslim world come out from their senses.
Pak Syed.
Agreed with Anon 12.31.He is a clown of the highest order.
Mat Sabu got Spin Lawyers maaa..you know lah the DAP's Three Spin Advocates...
They only made friends with PAS shiites but not with PAS sunnis..
Ibrahim Kati
Anon 5:04 I think the world has moved beyond laughing at us. The whole world is just tired but still astounded "terkejut beruk" at the stupidity of these Islamic countries. Please stop blaming the zionists. If you think there are Zionist conspiracies against the Islamic countries then please lets send a fax, telegram, e mail, Facebook message, Twitter, a plain letter or anything and WARN them 'the Zionists are out to get you'. Then lets wait and see. If after all the warnings about Zionist conspiracies the Islamic countries still fight and kill themselves, then do you still blame the Zionists? I think the Islamic countries seriously need to grow up.
SAA
errr... mat sabu nikah mutaah tak masa dia masuk dlm bilik 121? saya tahu, ramai yg pro shiah sebab memende macam ni. Bukan sebab islam ke apa kejadah. sebab senang nak jilat2 lepas tu tak basuh muka.
There u go mat Sabu.d fella who talks so gallantly on the streets calling ppl to fight against 'kezaliman' in d form of BN.now who looks silly supporting a govt worldwidely acknowledged to be Zalim.now mat Sabu each time u intend to scream on top of ur lungs abt kezaliman, think abt which gov captured n tortured children just bcos they unintentionally badmouthed d said gov.
Maarof kelana jaya.
Anon 3:17PM,
Ask your shiah friend these questions:
1. does he pray 5 times a day like the sunnis or he does not?
2. does he fast like the sunnis or he does not?
3. does he believe the Quran like the sunnis or he does not?
4. does he go on pilgrimage to Mecca like the sunnis or he does not?
5. does he say assalamualaikum like the sunnis or he does not?
6. does he eat the same list of halal and haram foods like the sunnis or he does not?
7. can he marry sunnis & vice versa or he cannot?
8. do his gurus wear turbans and jubah like sunnis or they do not?
9. do his gurus wear beards like sunni gurus or they do not?
10. does he celebrate Aidil Fitri like the sunnis or he does not?
11. does he celebrate Aidil Adha like sunnis or he does not?
12. does he celebrate Maulidur Rasul like sunnis or he does not (even if the dates differ by a few days)?
The shiahs and sunnis are almost identical in so many, many things.
So what is their beef? Their only beef is that 1400 years ago Ali did not become the first caliph. They say Ali became the fourth caliph.
Then ask him this final question :
Lets assume that 1400 years ago Ali did become the first caliph. Now go through the questions from 1 to 12 above. Will there be any significant changes to his answers?
I think the shiahs really need to move on in life. They have to get over who cheated whom 1400 years ago. We hav to move on.
SAA
Dear Anom 17:00,
Since you are from Johore, why don't you ask Hisham pondan about the matter?It's shame the state that proclaimed to be ameno bastion is also the breeding grounds for syiah laknatullah!
It's shows that the Malaysian government is not serious about combating Syiah, then your supporter like Mr Syed also want Syiah people to move on for what?
Do not believe in Syiah, even this is seen as undemocratic suggestion. The main idea is that we in Malaysia do not want what have happened in the M.East will happen in Malaysia, as they grow in large number, since Mr Hisham is still sleeping on his job, things will become out of control.
As for Mr. Mat sabu, i thinks all the visitors in this blog only make a blantant lies that are not supported by any evidence, only hearsay.
Naik jemu membaca perihal begitu ramai orang melayu dunggu tak guna akal menganut agama nenek moyang mereka tanpa banyak soal yg diambil dari ajaran ulama & ostad jadi-jadian yg penuh muslihat & angan-angan kosong serta tidak berpijak di bumi yg nyata. Buang sajalah Quran itu ke laut. Orang melayu dunggu tak guna akal sememangnya tifak layak untuk mewarisi Quran. Bukan petunjuk & pelajaran berguna yg orang melayu dunggu dapat dgn menjadi penganut agama islam tetapi hanya menambah porak-peranda dalam kehidupan mereka.
To: Stupid Malay Anon
Tuesday, January 01, 2013 5:14:00 PM
Go Google:
A hard-line Wahhabi cleric in Saudi Arabia has recently issued a special religious decree that permits the militants in Syria to engage in short-term marriages with Syrian women.
Sheikh Mohammed al-Arifi said that the marriages between the foreign-backed militants and Syrian women will satisfy the militants’ sexual desires and boost their determination in killing Syrians.
He added that the marriages, dubbed by him as “intercourse marriages,” can be with Syrian females as young as 14 years old.
He also promised “paradise” for those who marry the militants.
Hahhh Tok Arab bringing his Sunni Shiite Conflict to Malaysia!!!
Go back to Arab Country and stop causing mischief in this country!
I think most commenters who take side is a bunch of hypocrites.....cos like syed said we are all muslims and pray to the same god.....differing of opinion,perception will occur from time to time but should it stop us from being together....and syed,the questions listed is brilliant man but the part of trying to pain mat sabu as a dungu shiah is again like always shows how cheap you are....by the way i did went for psychiatric help only to be told by the psychiatric that i am doing fine as long as i dont support the bloody corrupt regime as far as politic is concerned....hehe
Masa tu pun SPR was biased in favor of the other fellow ka? No indelible ink? BERSIH, where were u when they need u most? Hapraaaakkk!!!
Syed Akbar Ali
You dont know anything about the zionist movement or what they do or how they are out to destroy the muslim world. Do some research.
Anon 9:30 am you dont know anything about yourself. You dont need Zionists to destroy the Muslims. You will destroy yourself.
Answer this question : if the Zionists want to destroy the Muslims, make the Muslims stupid and useless who will they NOT CHOOSE to be their agent
a. Nik Aziz Nik Mat Kelantan
b. Hassan Thurabi Sudan
c. Mullah Omar Afghanistan
d. Syed Akbar Ali
Only one answer is correct. Please be honest.
SAA
Shuk,
This comment by you actually made me smile. Bro, if your psychiatrist really said that, then I think he needs help too :)) (Just kidding only jangan marah too much)
Thanks for the support on the 'religion' thing anyway. At least we have some things in common. Sabu is not good news. He is a liability, not an asset. This does not mean you must support the BN. That coice is yours. But Sabu is infantile. Dont regret bro.
SAA
Anon 8:11 I have removed your comment about the hadith, qisah, jibril under the blanket etc cos it is crap. Have to idiot proof my Blog.
SAA
Malange,
Good point bro. Just for everyone's information both the sunni and shiah have their version of what would normally be termed by others as 'prostitution'.
The shiahs call it mutaah marriage. They can 'marry' a woman for a few hours or days. Money is paid by the man to the woman.
The sunnis have what is called 'misyar marriage' or travellers marriage. This can also be for a very short time. Money is paid by the man to the woman.
In most other societies in the world this is called prostitution. Money is paid by the man to the woman.
SAA
Anom 6:33 The Shiah people need not change their beliefs. That is not what I meant when I said they must move on.
Do not pretend not to know. You know exactly what I mean, the Shiah people should stop picking on things that happened 1400 years ago in the past. Let go of the past. Also what does arabs killing arabs in the desert 1400 years ago have anything to do with the Malays here in Malaysia? Itu arab bunuh sama arab - dia punya pasal lah. Apa kena mengena dgn Melayu di Malaysia? Take the good teachings that are useful for everybody and forget about who killed who. Were you there to witness what really happened between Ali and whoever? You have zero evidence and zero proof for what happened at that time. They are just tales. Dont waste your life chasing after cerita dongeng.
SAA
the syia are wasting their life. they say ali should have been the 1st kalifah. ok so ali was not the 1st kalifah. but ali became the kalifah no.4.
kalifah No. 1 abu bakar died of poison (he ate the same poisoned lamb that was eaten by the prophet).
kalifah No.2 umar was murdered.
kalifah no. 3 uthman was murdered and ali did not do anything to help uthman when he was murdered.
kalifah no. 4 ali was murdered and no. 5 muawiyah (ali's enemy) was attacked on the same day as ali.
so it is not muawiyah who killed ali.
here is the question - when ali became kalifah no. 4 he has the power to change back everything that was 'stolen' from him by abu bakar, umar and uthman. ali has the power to put back in power the family of ahlul bayt as permanent kalifah. this did not happen. why? if ali is so smart then why did he fail to put the ahlul bayt back into power? if ahlul bayt so smart then how come they can lose to muawiyah's tricks? if muawiyah can trick ali, hassan and hussein then what about the clever jews and christians? surely they also can trick ali, hassan and hussein? something is not right with ahlul bayt concept. there is no guarantee that ahlul bayt will not get tricked by muawiyah, jews, christians, romans, persians and others. this is not very clever people. anyone can trick them. saidina hassan died in karbala. his brother saidina hussein died in luxury, with many wives and concubines, getting easy money from muawiyah. how can ahlul bayt be so clever if they can accept money from muawiyah? this is what you call clever people? i dont think this is very clever if everyone can trick you. why do the shiah still argue about silly stories like these?
muslim only
We don't need Zionist to destroy Islam. We Muslims are already doing a good job without their help.
BTW to my fellow Muslims who like to "laknat" other Muslims, Jews, Christians, atheist and everyone else who does not proscribe to your beliefs,please change your stance. You have a right to believe what you want to believe as much as others have a right to believe what they want.No need to "laknat" anyone , our deen does not ask us to do so.
Hahaha
To malange
You dont have to labe other stupid when Allah gave you the cleverest brain on earth.
You are just like others who like to laknat and pray for other people destruction. In a forum such as this its the opinion that matters and its debatable. The Sheikh fatwa is also debatable. In Saudi a basic woman right to drive a car is objected by the same hadline Sheikh. In Syria is Bashar the enemy or the millitant the enemy?
quote 'Man become the most dangerous human being when he hides behind religion to achieve his own agenda'
Yep, that bloody corrupted Kelantan regime who sold Kelantan land to the lowest bidder at the expense of Kelantanese in change for what? A Perak MB post? How stupid can that be.
Where are the specifics that Mat Sabu is indeed a Shiite? Did he say that Ayesha killed the Prophet s.a.w.? Did he "jamak" and "qasar" all his prayers? Did he pray with a piece of solidified soil on the prayer mat? Are his prayer movements and steps like the ones in Syiism? Did he proclaim Ali as the rightful caliph? Did he curse all the companions? Did he celebrate Asyura Day in Qarbala? Visiting a Shiite country DOES NOT make one a Shiite, nor does visiting London, Paris and New York make you a Christian. Come on folks, exercise your intellect and right to proofs. The one presented here is pretty flimsy.
Oh so you only display messages that agree with you? Why? afraid to hear the other side? That it might contain the truth and challenge you? Stop spreading fitnah against innocent people. It's worse than killing and drinking alcohol and fornication. Stop it if you fear Allah.
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